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Play off pots
Author: sayko
Date: 10-10-2005, 09:22
if there is no surprises on wednesday :

Pot 1 : Czech Rep., Spain, Turkey
Pot 2 : Norway, Ireland or Switzerland, Slovakia or Russia

Re: Play off pots
Author: apw
Date: 10-10-2005, 10:24
Edited by: apw
at: 10-10-2005, 10:25
I think Czech & Turkey should be replaced with Romainia & Denmark.
Turkey will only draw in Albania, Czech will draw in Finland
Pot 1 ; Spain, Denmark, Norway
Pot 2 : Romainia, Ireland, Slovakia or Russia

Re: Play off pots
Author: sayko
Date: 10-10-2005, 10:33
Czech will beat finland and Turkey will beat albania, easy match for them

Re: Play off pots
Author: dave_sheffield
Date: 10-10-2005, 10:53
In the case APW suggested Ireland would be seeded and not Norway. I think too Turkey and especially THIS Czech Rep. can have problems in their matches! Slovakia 65% chances to be second.

Re: Play off pots
Author: walter-wade
Date: 10-10-2005, 12:24
i think that rusia is more adventageous in comparison with slovakia. They can probably beat them on the road or they can have at least a draw with many goals
Turkey will win for sure that they won't loose this chance of qualifying to the world cup that they suffered so much during the first games of this group
Check Republic will win also if there won't be any surprise because Finland have no strenght to resist
Ireland-Suisse game is the most interesting game of the day.I think their chance to qualify is 50-50

Re: Play off pots
Author: Meatball
Date: 10-10-2005, 13:19
Walter, Russia has no advantage. A draw is not enough for them, no matter how many goals are scored, because the away-goal rule doesn't exist for the world cup games. So Slovakia will always advance because of better over-all goal difference.
But I agree the most interesting game will be Ireland-Switzerland. Go Barnetta!

Re: Play off pots
Author: dinamozagreb
Date: 10-10-2005, 13:37
4.-Cze, 32.-Rom
12.-Tur, 14.-Den
45.-Slk, 30.-Rus
6.-Fra, 38.-Swi, 21.-Ire
37.-Nor
8.-Spa, 48.-SCG, 67.-Bos

Do the math.

Re: Play off pots
Author: Ricardo
Date: 10-10-2005, 13:57
Actually Serbia&MonteNegro -Bosnia Herzegowinacould be quite interesting. BIH plays surprisingly stronger than expected. SCG can underestimate them, and there is a lot of pressure on both teams. With 'just' a win BIH will pass SCG. Counting on a Spanish win, it would mean SCG will be out completely!
Both will prefer not to concede a goal (SCG is very good at that).
Ireland-Switserland is of course a thriller. Winner through (to at least play-offs), a draw might lead to both out!

In the end even Norway could be in the seeded pot! with Switserland(/Israel), Slovakia and BIH/SCG below them....

I expect: Czech, France, Spain + Turkey, Norway, Slovakia

Re: Play off pots
Author: apw
Date: 10-10-2005, 17:12
Edited by: apw
at: 10-10-2005, 17:13
Personally i hope Turkey & Czech get the results they require, it's just a feeling i have that Czech will struggle in Helsinki and Albania, who are better than a lot think will give Turkey a hard game, maybe Turkey will be over confident. I sense a great belief from Sayko, Walter_wade etc that Turkey will win easy.
All i say is remember Latvia 2003 !
Sorry Dave sheffield i misread Ireland would be seeded not Norway

Re: Play off pots
Author: Slovan
Date: 10-10-2005, 18:21
Edited by: Slovan
at: 10-10-2005, 18:22
I do not believe that Serbs could underestimate Bosna as for many people it will be a continuation of a civil war (just remember their "welcome" in Sarajevo). It will be a tough match, but I think the Serbs are more experienced to win it, especially at home.

Czechs are depressed and I give a lot of the fault on Pavel Nedved who is making a cinema about his starting or not starting for the national team since Euro 2004. He is destabilizing the team which should forget him at all. But they can certainly win in Helsinki.

I hope Slovakia will pass through Russians, our football needs such a boost very much. We could play better than Czechs in the past and the success can help the return to the European class.

Re: Play off pots
Author: ignjat63
Date: 11-10-2005, 07:24
Ricardo is right to be cautious about SCG-BIH match but not because of underestimation.

BIH plays very good indeed their away games and SCG is not that stronger. If BIH wins it would not be a surprise. Especially because in one game anything can happen.

Also for all my life I've witnessed what is the consequence of typical Serbian mentality. That means that we play well untill the end and then for appearently no reason at all simply blow it. So at the moment I am in the state of almost panic that the history will repeat itself like it did so many times before in so many sports.

The only team I ever trusted that it won't ruin everything in the end was the one between 1988 and 1992 coached by Ivica Osim (the team that was returned from EU in Sweden).

By the way is Osim still in Sturm Graz? I have not heard of him for a long time. In Yugoslavia he was one of the best players and one of the best coaches.

Re: Play off pots
Author: Edgar
Date: 11-10-2005, 08:13
He's in Japan at the moment AFAIK. JEF United coach.

Re: Play off pots
Author: Ricardo
Date: 11-10-2005, 16:50
For our Serbian and Montenegor fans:
Don't count on a draw. Spain will win with 4 or more goals diffference. I remember too good a Spain-Malta game, where Spain had to win with 12(!) goals difference. Half way it was just 3-1, nothing to worry about. In the end they won 13-1. If they have to, they will.

Also U-21 team is setting an example: after 80 minutes it's 10-1

Re: Play off pots
Author: isidromv
Date: 11-10-2005, 17:04
I remember this Spain-Malta match, even I was a small child. I have watched the match several times afterwards.

Spain had to win by 11 goals, and it was 12-1 (3-1 at half time).
The 13th goal was invalidated, though it was legal, but it doesn't matter.

Tomorrow it will not be 12-1 but 5-1 at least, nevertheless Spain will have to play the play off, Serbia will win.

Re: Play off pots
Author: walter-wade
Date: 12-10-2005, 00:15
Meatball, i am inside of this football sector for more than 15 years but i didn't heart until now such a think that away-goal rule doesn't appear in bworld cup qualifing. Are you sure? so if there are 2 draws between the probable rivals, is it looked at the general average? why it is like this? what is the idea?

Re: Play off pots
Author: Meatball
Date: 12-10-2005, 01:17
Walter, I must admit that I don't remember the history of the away-goal-rule and certainly have no clue why it is not used for world cup qualifiers, but I'm sure it is this way, read {a href="http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/050915/1/4npf.html">here{/a>:
{i>"...If they are still equal on head-to-head goal difference, then the greater number of goals scored in the head-to-head matches is the deciding factor. Still equal? Next is goal difference in all the group matches, followed by the greater number of goals scored in all the group matches. If none of the above factors can break the stalemate, a play-off game is held on a neutral ground."{/i>

Re: Play off pots
Author: sayko
Date: 12-10-2005, 23:24
as i said before :D
Pot 1 : Czech, Spain, Turkey
Pot 2 : Slovakia, Norway, Switzerland

Re: Play off pots
Author: Maluyaca
Date: 12-10-2005, 23:29
Now it is determined by fifa ranking and before by ?

Re: Play off pots
Author: nitsansh
Date: 13-10-2005, 02:27
As far as I know, this is the first time that FIFA world ranking was used to determine seeding in European zone qualifying... but OTOH this is also the first time seeding is done for the play off draw... in 1998 and 2002 it was an open draw...