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Author: Slovan
Date: 13-11-2005, 00:10
| I have had not much illusions about our (Slovak) chances to eliminate Spain in play-off for World Cup. However, to watch a scientifical vivisection of one team as performed by an Italian referee named Massimo De Santis left me totally speachless. Oh yes, we should NEVER critisize the referees because they suffer, then! But I can't, forgive me. In Czech republic, certain Italian referee named Collina is the second most beloved foreigner in their history, just after Adolf Hitler. And we will remember De Santis in Slovakia. |
Author: Cro_nogomet
Date: 13-11-2005, 00:34
Edited by: Cro_nogomet at: 13-11-2005, 00:38 | Slovan, I totally understand how you feel. There is no country in the world that has as much disgusting and shameless refereeing protection as Spain does. And I mean not only in football, but in other sports too (basketball, handball). Ask Bosnian players about the refferee in their qualifying match which ended 1:1 with the spanish goal in 97. minute. Ask Croatian basketball players about the refferee in their quarter-final match of the european basketball championship this year, and so on, and so on...
It's really repulsive, I cannot imagine that somebody who is not Spanish would support their national teams. |
Author: Rox
Date: 13-11-2005, 00:41
| I havent seen the match so I can hardly judge.You are right that Collina is the most hated refferee in Czechia(we are so glad he has already retired ) so I know what you feel now.But I think refferee is not the only thing why Slovakia lost in Spain according to what I have read in the online broadcast.You should also realize this I think.Spanish Victory was probably deserved. |
Author: Slovan
Date: 13-11-2005, 01:04
| I agree that Spanish football is actually better than Slovak one. It has the billions of euros, they can buy any player in the world and, probably, also any referee in the world if they wish so. But why can't we play and loose correctly? Why nobody minds the credibility of footbal at stake? Instead of, FIFA defends and protects the crooks like Collina, Frisk, Merk, De Santis. And of course, video should be forbidden. |
Author: valyal
Date: 13-11-2005, 03:18
| I feel sorry for Slovakian team. Of course, Spaniards played better and well deserved to win and they probably didn't need so obvious help from the referee. The penalty is a fruit of his sick imagination. The game was good, but the ref was disgusting. |
Author: Miki
Date: 13-11-2005, 08:49
| Unfortunately,participation of Spain means much more money to FIFA's cash desk than participation of Slovakia.And money rules the world! |
Author: Dario
Date: 13-11-2005, 09:19
| I agree with CroNogomet comments. I remember WC 1982, Euro 2000 against Yugoslavia(Serbia&Montenegro),and Handball World Cup this year against Serbia&Montenegro,i can name others...They never won a major tournement but they are the most protected country in sports.Such a shame.I'm glad we won the first place in that group ,but they even dont deserve to be in barrage... |
Author: spoonman
Date: 13-11-2005, 11:48
| I've only seen the final half hour of the match, and when I first read this thread I thought that referee must have committed some terrible errors in the first 60 minutes. But now I see that you're only talking about the penalty, is that correct?
I mean, come on! Okay, most handball penalties are debatable because there's always the question wether it was deliberate handball or not. But in this case, after the second slowmotion (not the first) I'd say that it was pretty clear. You can't seriously blame a referee for giving this kind of penalty. About 8 out of 10 referees would give it. |
Author: martinjt
Date: 13-11-2005, 15:09
| wasn't Spain knocked out of the last world cup by South Korea by a goal scored from a cross where the ball looked out of play? |
Author: gidm
Date: 13-11-2005, 15:37
| I think it was the other way around. Spain scored a valid goal but it was ruled out because the ball would have been out of play during the cross, which later turned out to be not true. South Korea then went on to win the match on penalties. |
Author: AlanK
Date: 13-11-2005, 15:37
| In addition to the awful decisions which helped eliminate Spain from Korea 2002, there was also the goal annulled in Euro 1996 against England. But I write this not to whine, but to point out that everybody gets a bad deal, at least in his own eyes, at some time or another. These problems tend to even out over time--conspiracy theories notwithstanding. The antidote is to play better. The North Korean team that eliminated the Italians in 1966 never complained about decisions--they just jumped up and ran harder. Slovakia did wonderfully well to get this far; and, in fact, they still aren't out. If they can adjust to realities--ie 4 goals down with a home game to go, they can still make a contest of it. |
Author: valyal
Date: 13-11-2005, 15:56
Edited by: valyal at: 13-11-2005, 15:59 | 2 spoonman The penalty is one of the numerous episodes. I watched the entire game and it was obvious from the very beginning that there was something wrong with the ref. The second goal was scored from what seemed to be off-side. In one of the episodes the Slovakian defender was just standing in place, the Spaniard ran into him and fell down. Result -free kick very close to the penalty area. As for the penalty, the timing for it was just perfect. After Slovaks scored the game calmed down and it was possible that the final result would be pretty favorable to Slovaks. I am not a fan of either team, so what I am writing is based on a sympathy or antipathy to one of the sides. I am sure that if Slovakia had played with Finland, for example, the ref would have not been so biased against one of the teams. |
Author: isidromv
Date: 13-11-2005, 17:38
Edited by: isidromv at: 13-11-2005, 17:39 | I am Spanish, and I also wathced the match.
2nd goal was not off-side. And what about Raul's goal which was anulled but it was not off-side.
It was not the referee. You can not say that 5-1 ia a referee's fault. |
Author: valyal
Date: 13-11-2005, 18:56
Edited by: valyal at: 13-11-2005, 20:17 | I agree that Spanish team looked much better than Slovaks. They would win anyway. Possibly they will win in Slovakia also. The difference in class is unquestionable. I am not talking about how good or bad either team is, the subject is that Italian clown, who doesn't deserve to be a ref. I am just wondering whose idea was to appoint a referee from Italy for this match. Why not Iceland or Austria, for example. How the Spaniards would like if the 2nd leg's ref was from Czech Rep? |
Author: me_torq792
Date: 13-11-2005, 22:10
| umm...are you equating the italians to the spaniards? I don't know too many italians that would give a rat's ass what happens to Spain. |
Author: Lyonnais
Date: 13-11-2005, 23:32
| Well, I remember the France-Spain game in Euro 2000 with Collina. What a penalty he offered to the Spaniards at the 88th minute ! That was outrageous. Anyway, Raul was fair-play enough to miss it. More than the penalty, though the penalty itself raised quite a few questions, the general behaviour of Collina during the game looked like pretty biaised. |
Author: Slovan
Date: 14-11-2005, 05:45
| Don't forget that the first Spanish goal came from corner which should be replaced by kick-off and more, the expulsions of coach and one of players because of protests. And if the second goal was not off-side, then he should be also generous with several balls for Vittek. But the main point was the double standard of this man. Every duel was decided like Slovakian faul. He showed it after few seconds giving Spain a dangerous free kick for a very doubtul faul. And he was waiting for an excuse to punish our side, deliberately provoking the protests, exactly like Collina was doing with the Czechs in some matches. |
Author: Nick
Date: 14-11-2005, 07:39
| He, he, he...Look at it from another perspective Who do the sponsors prefer to see in the World Cup? I know this is conspiration theory, but this can also explain pretty well why South Korea got this referee help against Spain 3 years ago. |
Author: Ricardo
Date: 14-11-2005, 10:07
| And why had Switzerland had to win from Turkey? I think Turkey pays more TV rights! Switzerland should have a chance to look at a big tournament before their own in 2008 and is a neighbour of Germany. Difficult choice
And why did the referee did not help Holland -23? He had plenty of chance, at least 2 penalties, and many more. In the end the Dutch did not score themselves, but they could have been made it a bit easier. |
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