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Author: walter-wade
Date: 07-05-2006, 22:02
Edited by: walter-wade
at: 07-05-2006, 22:05

Guys, there are some possible conditions for that Galatasaray becomes seeded in 3th qualif. round of CL..These are;

1-In France,Rennes must end at 3th place
2-In Bulgary,CSKA Sofia must end as the champion(Levski must not end as the champion)
3-In Chechzka Republic, Sylavia Prag must not finish at the 2th place
4-In Italy, Roma must not end at the 4th place (Fiorentina must end at 4th place)
5-In Romania, Steau must not end as the champion
6-In Poland, Wisla Crakow must not end as the champion(Leggia must be the champion)
7-In Spain, Osasuna must end in the 4th place (not sevilla)

CONCLUSION: If 4 or more of these conditions are satisfied, Galatasaray will be seeded, if 3 or less of them will be satisfied, it will be unseeded. What do u think about?

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: STK Date: 07-05-2006, 22:09	i say to not put so much faith in condition no. 5 , and from which i know in condition no. 2

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: onuracar Date: 08-05-2006, 00:08	I think if galatasaray seeded they can not reach to the group stages. because galatasaray still dicrease.

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: Aegis Date: 08-05-2006, 00:12 Edited by: Aegis at: 08-05-2006, 00:21	Rennes can't finish anymore at the 3rd place. (they would have to overcome a -26 goal difference) Lille or Marseille (if OM wins away to Bordeaux while Lille loses away to Rennes) will.

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: walter-wade Date: 08-05-2006, 00:50 Edited by: walter-wade at: 08-05-2006, 00:51	a aegis; Aucune difference entre OM et Lille. Les coefficients des deux sont superieurs de Galatasaray.Et une question, est ce qu'on regarde a l'average generale quand 2 equipes ont la meme point en France?

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: Lyonnais Date: 08-05-2006, 01:05	yes. When 2 teams finish with the same total of points, then general goal-average is used.

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. rou
Author: dinamozagreb Date: 08-05-2006, 01:33	What's the tie-breaker in Turkey anyway?

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: walter-wade Date: 08-05-2006, 01:53	if two or more teams are at the same points, the matches played between them are considered including away goal rule. No general point consideration...

Author: badgerboy
Date: 08-05-2006, 17:02

Walter-Wade

According to my current listings Galatasaray will be ranked somewhere between No. 12 and No. 19 in the third qualifying round.

Levski Sofia are currently the last team on the list of definite seeds, assuming they qualify and Austria Wien the first team on the list of definite non-seeds.

Your list of issues affecting their place is wrong. Poland is irrelevant, as both Polish teams are seeded below Galatasaray. However, the outcomes in Germany (you need Bremen to finish second ahead of Hamburg) and Switzerland (you need Zurich to finish ahead of Basle) are important.

Of the outstanding issues it would be a major surprise to me if Levski and Basel did not become Champions of their respective countries - given the current league positions. That leaves Galatasaray at best 14th and - at worst - 19th.

I'd say all five of the issues that matter (Spain, Italy, Germany, Czech Republic and Romania) are very much in the balance.

Sevilla are on a great run but have to play both Real Madrid and Barcelona. Osasuna also have to play Valencia. If they finish level on points Osasuna (currently three ahead) has the better head-to-head.

In Italy I would fancy Fiorentina - as Roma has still to play Milan and is already two points down.

Germany - Hamburg and Bremen meet in Hamburg on the last day. Bremen has to win. It's like a Cup Final so anything can happen.

Czech Republic - three teams level. Could go anyway too. I hope it's one of the smaller clubs - Teplice or Mlada Boleslav. I already noted the possible complicated scenario with Slovan Liberec on another post (though that's looking a bit less significant now as their chances of being seeded is looking very slim to me).

Romania - is suddenly looking very unpredictable. Steaua have lost two in a row but still have the advantage of a game in hand. I'd still expect Rapid to be their biggest dangers - but they dropped points yesterday...

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: walter-wade Date: 08-05-2006, 17:24	what did u indicate different from me? we say almost same scenarios..but bu sure about the coefficcient of leggia warsow, it is smaller than gs and the one of Wisla is greater so that the champion of Polish national league affects Galatasaray's situation. And from current situation, it seems a little impossible for gs to be seeded in the 3th qual. round for the first time since 1994...

Author: badgerboy
Date: 08-05-2006, 17:57

Galatasaray are No. 71 on the team ranking list with a coefficient of 33.634

Wisla are 84th with a ranking of 29.104.

Galatasaray will be seeded ahead of whichever Polish team qualifies.

The difference between my list of factors affecting Galatasaray is that my list is right and yours wrong

Apart from the Polish confusion you forgot to include both Switzerland and Germany.

Gala need three of the five issues I listed to go their way. Or two out of the remaining four if I'm right about Fiorentina being 4th. 50-50 isn't that bad! And fear not - even if you end up unseeded at least 50% - but nearer 75% - of your potential seeded opponents would be in the "to be respected but hardly the "cream" of European football category".

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. rou
Author: dinamozagreb Date: 08-05-2006, 18:09	Thanks Walter. Another question. What about Ukraine. I read somewhere that if Dynamo and Shakhtar draw in last round an extra game would be played. Or not?

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: hejazia Date: 08-05-2006, 18:12	I doubt it since the deadline of the 15h may must be meet. Especially as us consider that alot of players on the ukrainians national play in both clubs. If there is a draw Shaktar are champs.

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. rou
Author: dinamozagreb Date: 08-05-2006, 18:21 Edited by: dinamozagreb at: 08-05-2006, 18:21	So goal difference decides? Dynamo won first game 1-0. The game is on wednesday. There is still time for extra game.

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: vlad-tzepesh Date: 08-05-2006, 20:12	As far as I know, Shakhtar's coach, Mircea Lucescu, said a couple of weeks ago that a third game will be played - "the golden game", should Shakhtar and Dinamo finish on level points.

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: executor Date: 09-05-2006, 09:35	According to {a href="http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/league.htm">this{/a> (select Ukraine -> Format of the league) the decider is head-to-rhead results. So Shakhtar needs to win the game in order to be champions.

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: vlad-tzepesh Date: 09-05-2006, 11:38	I don't know if this is a reliable source, as the league format for Romania is wrong (it states that only the bottom club will be relegated). I guess that Lucescu ought to know the situation better than any such site.

Re: the seededness of Galatasaray in 3th qual. round..
Author: executor Date: 10-05-2006, 20:56	In Romanian media they also speak of a play-off game held on neutral ground should the tonight game end as a draw (which is what happend). So the title in Ukraine is still not decided.