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Author: phunkee
Date: 12-11-2006, 22:07
Edited by: phunkee
at: 12-11-2006, 22:08

The norwegian season ended today when Fredrikstad won the cup. The league ended with these teams as top5:

Rosenborg (CL)
Brann (UC)
Valerenga (UC)
Lillestrom (intertoto)
Stabaek

The fair play ranking ended like this(top5):

Fredrikstad
Rosenborg
Valerenga
Lillestrom
Start

So, the questions

Will Lillestrom keep their intertoto spot and Start a ticket in the FP-lottery or will Lillestrom be Norways FP-team leaving the intertoto for Stabaek? And what if Norway don't get a FP-spot, will Lillestrom then get back their intertoto spot?

Re: Fairplay vs intertoto
Author: Aliceag Date: 13-11-2006, 06:03	From a pragmatic point of view, an Intertoto spot is NOT an European Cup spot, because it is not SURE to give access to UEFA, while the Fairplay spot is a SURE UEFA place, which count for rankings. So, the Fairplay Spot comes first, and Lillestrom probably will take it, in case Norway is awarded with it.

Author: cska
Date: 15-11-2006, 14:04

Aliceag
There is one very slight problem. UEFA always set a deadline for entering IT entrants, which can be set even before some seasons end. Example: this season Farul from Romania played IT, because the season was not ended and according to UEFA rules National and Sportul had theoretical chances to play UC or CL. None of these teams succeeded - National lost the cup final and Sportul ended 4th in ranking. However, none of them was allowed to IT, because of the UEFA deadline.
So, it will much depend on the deadline for entering IT participants and the date on which FP draw is made. If FP draw is before IT deadline, then teams will know if they won a spot or not and thus will have the option to run or not for IT. However, if IT deadline is before the FP draw, the team will have to decide whether to stand the chances for FP spot or to chose the IT spot as 100% sure even if not 100% for UC.

Re: Fairplay vs intertoto
Author: Aliceag Date: 15-11-2006, 14:46	That's not a problem. UEFA always comes first. So even If Lillestrom aplies for IT and then wins a fair play spot, the IT spot will be removed and given to the next team (in this case Stabaek).

Author: cska
Date: 15-11-2006, 16:01

UEFA is first in precedence over IT.
But is FP draw first in TIME compared to IT registration of teams.
Example: Romanian championship was over before IT started. It was known that National lost the cup final and Sportul ended 4th. So, why was not Sportul allowed to IT ? Because Farul was already registered for participation. And registered teams cannot just grant their spot to another team. Changes occur only in extreme cases like Italy problems this year.
Also, according to UEFA rules "any team which has theoretical chances to enter UC before the deadline for IT registration CANNOT be registered for IT". That's why 7th Farul played IT instead of 4th Sportul. It's unfair, because contradicts the principle of ranking. But it exists.
So, if one Norwegian team announces that they will take part in FP draw, then they will NOT be allowed to register for IT, because they will be considered by UEFA to "have theoretical chance of joining UC before the deadline for IT registration".
If you look it through, you'll see that it is right. And especially Romania would have gained significantly if their 4th team Sportul were allowed to IT, because they were equal in strength to the other top 3 teams and lead the table to the last but one round.
However, lower ranked team (Farul) played IT only because Sportul had chances to play in UC, which after that did not come true. But it was too late.