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Author: thanvar
Date: 09-01-2009, 07:22
| Hello people! nice to meet you, this is my first post in this forum.
Can someone please answer me how many non-eu players per team, which participates either in the Champions League or the UEFA cup, are allowed by the rules of the UEFA?
thanks in advance! |
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Author: executor
Date: 09-01-2009, 07:51
| Hmmm... As far as I know there's no such limit for European Cups. There was a proposal to limit the number of players that are not from the same country as the club they're playing for, but it was rejected.
The non-EU player limit it's only valid in (some) domestic championships. |
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Author: holidaysong
Date: 16-01-2009, 12:56
| It isn't a non-EU rule per se. It is a rule that means there must be a certain number of players who were trained at the club for 5 years and a certain number of players who were trained in that country for 5 years. I don't know the exact figures but I think it is something like 4 and 8 respectively. |
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Author: hamlett
Date: 16-01-2009, 16:39
| As far as I know, there was (and probably still is) a rule asking no more than 3 extra-EC players at the same time. Players who have a european passport are considered EC players, even if they play for Brazil, Nigeria, or Argentina.
Most south-american and african players have european passport (portuguese, spanish, italian, french, greak, aso). Such players are (were ?) preferred by top teams.
If rules have changed, it has to be recent. |
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Author: badgerboy
Date: 17-01-2009, 13:11
| "As far as I know, there was (and probably still is) a rule asking no more than 3 extra-EC players at the same time. Players who have a european passport are considered EC players, even if they play for Brazil, Nigeria, or Argentina.
Most south-american and african players have european passport (portuguese, spanish, italian, french, greak, aso). Such players are (were ?) preferred by top teams.
If rules have changed, it has to be recent".
I'm pretty sure that there has been no such rule for UEFA competitions since the days of Bosman - which was about 15 years ago. Individual countries - Spain for example - do have such rules for their domestic competitions but even they have been watered down by the acceptance that players from any country that has signed certain agreements with the EU can't be subjected to such restrictions/quotas. Cotonou is the main agreement that covers a lot of countries.
Within UEFA competitions there is the "homegrown player rule". This rule says that a certain number of players must have been with the club (or association) for 3 years (not 5 as someone suggested) between the ages of 15 & 21.
I believe the numbers are currently 4 club-trained players & 4 more association-trained players. |
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Author: hamlett
Date: 18-01-2009, 09:47
Edited by: hamlett
at: 18-01-2009, 09:48 | I don't have any uefa regulations right now, but, for instance, in 2008 :
English teams showed interest for Eto'o, because he just got a spanish passport.
Barcelona was interested in Eboué, who has a Belgium passport.
aso
I don't know whether this is due to uefa cup regulations, or whether only English/Spanish/Italian leagues have such regulations. |
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Author: amirbachar
Date: 18-01-2009, 23:21
| What a silly annex. I think we understand what 8 and 4 mean... |
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Author: hamlett
Date: 19-01-2009, 11:52
| You must be true : for teams from Russia, Turkey, Israël, extra-EC wouldn't mean anything.
There is a rule limiting the number of extra-EC players in some major leagues, like in Spain, France or Italy. Some non-EC countries seem to be referred to as EC-compatible. But clearly not Argentina or Brazil. And not central Africa either : all players coming from Nigeria, Cameroun, Ghana, ... are considered non-EC until they get a passport from a European country.
Right know, a player is supposed to leave French team Monaco because his Italian passport will be canceled. |
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Author: SHEV
Date: 19-01-2009, 12:05
Edited by: SHEV
at: 19-01-2009, 12:08 | There is no such limit in Italy. They have a restriction that clubs can buy only 2 non-EU player per season. |
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Author: hamlett
Date: 19-01-2009, 14:49
| Does that mean that some teams (Milan, Juve) have more than 3 or 4 non-EC players this season ? Do you have some examples ? |
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Author: badgerboy
Date: 19-01-2009, 18:38
Edited by: badgerboy
at: 19-01-2009, 18:39 | "And not central Africa either : all players coming from Nigeria, Cameroun, Ghana, ... are considered non-EC until they get a passport from a European country".
Not in Spain they aren't.
List of signatories to the Cotonou Agreement from EU site:
Angola - Antigua and Barbuda - Belize - Cape Verde - Comoros - Bahamas - Barbados - Benin - Botswana - Burkina Faso - Burundi - Cameroon - Central African Republic - Chad - Congo (Brazzaville) - Congo (Kinshasa) - Cook Islands - Cte d'Ivoire - Cuba - Djibouti - Dominica - Dominican Republic - Eritrea - Ethiopia - Fiji - Gabon - Gambia - Ghana - Grenada - Republic of Guinea - Guinea-Bissau - Equatorial Guinea - Guyana - Haiti - Jamaica - Kenya - Kiribati - Lesotho - Liberia - Madagascar - Malawi - Mali - Marshall Islands - Mauritania - Mauritius - Micronesia - Mozambique - Namibia - Nauru - Niger - Nigeria - Niue - Palau - Papua New Guinea - Rwanda - St. Kitts and Nevis - St. Lucia - St. Vincent and the Grenadines - Solomon Islands - Samoa - Sao Tome and Principe - Senegal - Seychelles - Sierra Leone - Somalia - South Africa - Sudan - Suriname - Swaziland - Tanzania - Timor Leste - Togo - Tonga - Trinidad and Tobago - Tuvalu - Uganda - Vanuatu - Zambia - Zimbabwe
The Spanish authorities announced at the start of the 2007-08 season that players from these countries aren't counted for the purposes of the quotas because of Cotonou.
I wrote a detailed article at the time
In England the main issue for non-EU players is simply getting a working visa from the government - nothing to do with footballing quotas. Of course here a player with an EU passport does have a serious advantage as the need for a visa ends. But for a player like Eto'o who is a regular for his country a visa is automatic anyway.
England does seem to have pretty strict visa regulations regarding non-EU players that aren't national team regulars compared to most other EU countries. That's why a lot more South American & African youngsters can be found in a lot of other EU countries - including youth & reserve teams in some cases. Even where quotas do apply they only apply to the first team so - even where Cotonou hasn't been recognised or doesn't apply - this doesn't affect the academies/cantera's etc. |
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Author: hamlett
Date: 20-01-2009, 09:45
Edited by: hamlett
at: 20-01-2009, 09:45 | Badgerboy :
I don't know what to think about your post. Apparently, Spain signed Cotonou's agreement in april 2007. I ignored that Spain assimilated central africa players as EC-players since 2007-2008. In 2007, Eto'o was considered as being non-EC, and Barcelona was interfering to get him a spanish passport (he finally got in october 2007). According to Barca's website, Yaya Toure was still considered extra-EC at the time (Ivory Coast). So, it doesn't seem to be that clear, at least for 2007-2008.
In France, I'm positive that a team cannot go over three extra-EC players, and four in certain cases (long-term injury), and I never heard that Cotonou's agreement would apply in french football, although most african players coming from Senegal, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, do have double passport, and are considered like french players.
Also, players coming from south america or africa seem to get a EC-passport faster and faster, especially if they play for a top team. So that players don't remain extra-EC for long and the quota isn't really effective. |
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Author: SHEV
Date: 20-01-2009, 12:55
| Does that mean that some teams (Milan, Juve) have more than 3 or 4 non-EC players this season ? Do you have some examples ?
Sure. Last weekend match Inter fielded 9 non-EU players from which 4 had EU passport - Zanetti, Cordoba, Julio Cesar, Burdisso and 5 players without EU passport Maicon, Crespo, Maxwell, Stankovic, Cambiasso. |
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Author: hamlett
Date: 20-01-2009, 13:09
| Thanks much, SHEV |
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Author: badgerboy
Date: 21-01-2009, 12:46
| hamlett wrote:
"Badgerboy :
I don't know what to think about your post. Apparently, Spain signed Cotonou's agreement in april 2007. I ignored that Spain assimilated central africa players as EC-players since 2007-2008. In 2007, Eto'o was considered as being non-EC, and Barcelona was interfering to get him a spanish passport (he finally got in october 2007). According to Barca's website, Yaya Toure was still considered extra-EC at the time (Ivory Coast). So, it doesn't seem to be that clear, at least for 2007-2008".
I'm not sure when Spain signed the agreement but as far as I was aware it "entered into force" for all countries involved in April 2003. It might just be that I don't "get" exactly how the EU works though! I know certain agreements have to be ratified by each individual member state but I thought all this should happen before they could "enter into force".
That's all pretty academic though. The fact is that - for the moment at least - it's how individual member states choose to interpret the agreement that matter and Spain decided in October 2007 (correctly in my opinion) that the agreement means quotas for nationals of these countries are illegal due to Cotonou. Other countries are perhaps waiting for an actual legal challenge before they amend their own rules. I'm not sure about the situation with Yaya Toure. Possibly Barca's own website simply wasn't fully updated after the October 2007 ruling. He certainly would have been considered "non-EU" at the start of the season.
As for other countries. It would be very interesting to know what the different rules are for the individual member states - both in terms of quotas and visa rules.
I did a google search for Ligue 1 non EU quota and the first result is interesting. It's a pdf document & I can't make a direct link but it gives quota rules for individual countries.
How accurate it is I'm not sure. As examples - it mentions visa requirements for Scotland but not England & Cotonou applying under Denmark but not Spain - so it's clearly not 100%. It's a decent start though given the general difficulty in searching out such information. |
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Author: Todor
Date: 21-01-2009, 20:30
Edited by: Todor
at: 21-01-2009, 20:30 | In Bulgaria a club can list a maximum of 5 players from countries outside the EU. |
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Author: krasste
Date: 22-01-2009, 00:15
Edited by: krasste
at: 22-01-2009, 00:17 | Does that mean that some teams (Milan, Juve) have more than 3 or 4 non-EC players this season ? Do you have some examples ?
Sure. Last weekend match Inter fielded 9 non-EU players from which 4 had EU passport - Zanetti, Cordoba, Julio Cesar, Burdisso and 5 players without EU passport Maicon, Crespo, Maxwell, Stankovic, Cambiasso.
Zanetti - Argentina / Italy
Cordoba - Columbia / Italy
Julia Cesar - Brazil / Italy
Burdisso - Argentina / Italy
Maicon - Brazil
Crespo - Argentina / Italy
Maxwell - Brazil / Netherlands
Stankovic - Serbia / Italy
Cambiasso - Argentina / Italy
Only one left :D
Emerson (Milan) is even German ^^
There must be some kind of restriction, the citizenship policy is quite developed in Italy. |
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Author: SHEV
Date: 22-01-2009, 00:36
Edited by: SHEV
at: 22-01-2009, 01:09 | . |
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Author: SHEV
Date: 22-01-2009, 00:43
Edited by: SHEV
at: 22-01-2009, 01:10 | .. |
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Author: SHEV
Date: 22-01-2009, 01:00
Edited by: SHEV
at: 22-01-2009, 01:16 | We should definitely check somehow. It's a pity we have no Italians on forum. But I'm pretty sure that restriction was 3 non-EU until 2001 when it became 5 and three years ago all restrictions was lifted and rule of buying no more then 1 non-EU player per season came instead or 2 if at least 1 foreigner was sold. |
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Author: hamlett
Date: 22-01-2009, 10:39
| Badgerboy : good idea.
In France, there is no limit on buying or selling players, but a 3 non-EC quota must be observed by each team. A player from AS Monaco is right now under suspension because his italian passport has been canceled. He will probably be transferred to Greece. |
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Author: Lyonnais
Date: 22-01-2009, 21:28
| In France, the 6+5 rule is applied meaning that French clubs have the possibility to have 5 non-EU players in their squad.
Otherwise, you're right, Cufre from Monaco was found guilty by the Italian justice to have a wrong Italian passport. |
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Author: hamlett
Date: 23-01-2009, 09:32
| I investigated furthermore, and I have to correct both my last post and Lyonnais' one.
French league rules, concerning players, can be read at the following web adress : http://www.lfp.fr/reglements/pdf/charte/2008_2009/3.pdf
Rules concerning foreign players are on page 78-79, articles 550 and foll.
It says that only four players are allowed. This quota doesn't include players coming nations concerned by Cotonou's Agreement and other EC cooperation agreements (Malaja's case is also quoted).
There are some exceptions, but main rules limit to FOUR extra-EC players. |
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