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I just wanted to say I consider Panathinaikos' punishement just in this case,
in the same case I would consider a heavy punishement to PAOk and AEK also just.
The problem is not that teams are punished when they shouldn't the problem is when team are not punished in the same way or at all for similar crimes.
For me any violence against players , coaches or referres should be an instant abandoning of the game , and yes I wouldn't mind at all even if it happened against the team I support, for example if PAOK was punished for the firework their fans threw to a panathinaikos player in the semi-final I think it would be just.
That is the only way to stop the violence.

... Or just deny away fans entry to ALL matches, like they do in Argentina now. LOL

It is accepted that UEFA will continue pushing forward in Greece. From all corrupted leagues, Greece is EU and thus laws are easier to utilize than it is in i.e. Turkey.

Uefa should simply deny all Greece clubs access to UEFA tournaments untill they fix their mess.

Then they might stop pointing fingers toward each other and work out a model that is better for all.

betrayor you are fair enough for a greek fan

I agree with you that the problem is not heavy punishments for little things or no punishments for big things.
Problem is double standards.

As a Panathinaikos fan, I feel like parking in a prohibited area. Everyone parks there, but only my car gets a fine.
I can't complain about the fine, as I parked where I souldn't. But why no other car is punished and everyone can park there with no consequences?

It would be a scandal if the game wasn't interrupted since the opponent's staff was injured and I wonder why it took so much time for the referee.
It will also be a scandal if Panathinaikos doesn't get punished according to the rules (-3 points and game lost)
It will also be a scandal if PAOK, AEK, Olympiacos don't get punished for their incidents (-6, relegation).

But the BIGGEST scandal will be IF Panathinaikos get punished and the other three don't!

Duketown wrote:It is accepted that UEFA will continue pushing forward in Greece. From all corrupted leagues, Greece is EU and thus laws are easier to utilize than it is in i.e. Turkey.

Uefa should simply deny all Greece clubs access to UEFA tournaments untill they fix their mess.

Then they might stop pointing fingers toward each other and work out a model that is better for all.

Are you kidding me?
UEFA is a partner in crime!
Not only they don't solve the problem, but they protect the criminals!!

Last matchday of the Greek-play off today.

the matches are
PAOK-Panathinaikos
Panionios-AEK

The table is:
PAOK 11
AEK 9
Panathinaikos 5
Panionios 4

If PAOK and AEK finish with the same points AEK will be ahead(better head to head results)
If Panathinaikos and Panionios finish with the same points Panathinaikos will be ahead(better head to head results)

First place gives a spot in the next Champions League 3rd qualifing round in the non-champions path
2nd and 3rd place gives a spot in the next Europa league 3rd qualifing round.
4rth place gives a spot in the next Europa league 2nd qualifing round.

We still await what will the punishments be for PAOK and AEK for the cup final and for Olympiakos for the game against Platanias.

og2002gr wrote:

Duketown wrote:It is accepted that UEFA will continue pushing forward in Greece. From all corrupted leagues, Greece is EU and thus laws are easier to utilize than it is in i.e. Turkey.

Uefa should simply deny all Greece clubs access to UEFA tournaments untill they fix their mess.

Then they might stop pointing fingers toward each other and work out a model that is better for all.

Are you kidding me?
UEFA is a partner in crime!
Not only they don't solve the problem, but they protect the criminals!!

I pretty sure youŕe wrong. UEFA can only push License Requirements. They don make laws neither they speak justice.

National government and FA are the problem to not fix corruption, matchfixing, money laundering, bribing and all other problems in Greece. The ones protecting Greece criminals are Greece judges.

Good afternoon forum! I hope all members are doing great!
I just wanted to note that the president of Panathinaikos has stated that they will appeal against the court decision for the points deduction and fine (for the match against PAOK) and will also appeal to the European football courts. Let's see if all this will have an effect or if the table will stay as it is...

Match lost and 3-pt deduction. Harsh.

What would be the best for Greek prospects next season? PAOK or AEK to the UCL? I mean, in terms of coefficient the answer is obvious, but I'm used to think of AEK as one of the "big guns" (despite the recent exile down the lower leagues) and PAOK as the "Sevilla" of the league, so that AEK will strenghten itself with big transfers more than PAOK would. I probably am completely off the mark though.

mspm89 wrote:Match lost and 3-pt deduction. Harsh.

What would be the best for Greek prospects next season? PAOK or AEK to the UCL? I mean, in terms of coefficient the answer is obvious, but I'm used to think of AEK as one of the "big guns" (despite the recent exile down the lower leagues) and PAOK as the "Sevilla" of the league, so that AEK will strenghten itself with big transfers more than PAOK would. I probably am completely off the mark though.

Yeah it is harsh but since the match was abandoned there wasnt going to be much chance of a lesser punishement.
On the other hand Olympiakos was found guilty of beating Platanias players(by Olympiakos bodyguards) in half-time but the punishment is very soft only 3 games without fans. It seems Op2002 has kind of a point since Olympiakos keeps being unpunished.

PAOK is genereally spending more than AEK these years and next year it will probably not change especially since AEK will be building a new stadium so much of the funds will go there..

Duketown wrote:

og2002gr wrote:

Duketown wrote:It is accepted that UEFA will continue pushing forward in Greece. From all corrupted leagues, Greece is EU and thus laws are easier to utilize than it is in i.e. Turkey.

Uefa should simply deny all Greece clubs access to UEFA tournaments untill they fix their mess.

Then they might stop pointing fingers toward each other and work out a model that is better for all.

Are you kidding me?
UEFA is a partner in crime!
Not only they don't solve the problem, but they protect the criminals!!

I pretty sure youŕe wrong. UEFA can only push License Requirements. They don make laws neither they speak justice.

National government and FA are the problem to not fix corruption, matchfixing, money laundering, bribing and all other problems in Greece. The ones protecting Greece criminals are Greece judges.

UEFA had no problem punishing teams for match fixing.... from Juventus and Besiktas to Metalist and Skenderbeu.
Did you see banning any of the big greek criminals?

og2002gr wrote:

Duketown wrote:

og2002gr wrote:Are you kidding me?
UEFA is a partner in crime!
Not only they don't solve the problem, but they protect the criminals!!

I pretty sure youŕe wrong. UEFA can only push License Requirements. They don make laws neither they speak justice.

National government and FA are the problem to not fix corruption, matchfixing, money laundering, bribing and all other problems in Greece. The ones protecting Greece criminals are Greece judges.

UEFA had no problem punishing teams for match fixing.... from Juventus and Besiktas to Metalist and Skenderbeu.
Did you see banning any of the big greek criminals?

Those clubs then violated Uefa License Requirements. They first were convicted based on national law and probably (confirmed by CAS) before UEFA can punish. I don't know specifics about those cases but this is how it works.

You're talking criminal offences that should be punished by national law.

So you claimed UEFA protected Greece criminals. How did they do that? If you answer is banning or punishing them, then read above.

You should blame your own government including justice system to allow all this. First I thought only your National FA and referee association were corrupted but if these cases still aren't resolved, Greece seems more corrupt than I thought.

Half-time
both matches are 1-1.

Full time
PAOK-Panathinaikos 2-3
Panionios-AEK 1-2

AEK will be in the Champions League 3rd qualifing round, PAOK and Panathinaikos will be in the Europa League 3rd qualifing round and Panionios will be in the Europa league 2nd qualifing round.
Disastrous game for PAOK , while Panathinaikos was playing with essentially their second team , PAOK was unable to get a victory and played awfully , Kudos to Panathinaikos coach for his system.

And that's 2nd place for AEK after winning 2-1 against Panionios, while PAOK managed to lose 2-3 from Panathinaikos at home.

PAOK did everything they could to take whatever they could...in courts. And were punished in the pitch for thinking they are stronger than they are.