Nobody even mentions their defence when talking about whats wrong with Everton,but it has been awful for a long time now.Jagielka and Baines are just not good enough now,Williams is too slow,and while Coleman is out,they don't know who to put in for him.
Whoever comes in is going to have to get that sorted before they even think about width or a striker to replace Lukaku.
English PL, etc, 2017-18
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Unfortunately, given the huge [and expanding] gulf between EPL Top 6 and the rest,
cases like Leicester and Everton will happen more and more often -- at first, a "small"
club gets unexpected success, then prized assets leave (Lukaku; N'Golo Kante & Drinkwater)
but the new ones are not coming because the highest a team can compete for is the
place between #7 and #10 -- so a team completely tanks 1-2 years after it's successful
season. Nowadays it seems that players prefer to seat on the bench at a club like Barcelona
rather than come and play for a non-top-6 EPL club.
cases like Leicester and Everton will happen more and more often -- at first, a "small"
club gets unexpected success, then prized assets leave (Lukaku; N'Golo Kante & Drinkwater)
but the new ones are not coming because the highest a team can compete for is the
place between #7 and #10 -- so a team completely tanks 1-2 years after it's successful
season. Nowadays it seems that players prefer to seat on the bench at a club like Barcelona
rather than come and play for a non-top-6 EPL club.
I don't agree with the second part, if anything more players from high profile clubs are joining Premier League also rans, due to the wages on offer. Jese at Stoke, Hojbjerg at Southampton, Krychowiak at West Brom, Hernandez at West Ham.rrey1 wrote:Unfortunately, given the huge [and expanding] gulf between EPL Top 6 and the rest,
cases like Leicester and Everton will happen more and more often -- at first, a "small"
club gets unexpected success, then prized assets leave (Lukaku; N'Golo Kante & Drinkwater)
but the new ones are not coming because the highest a team can compete for is the
place between #7 and #10 -- so a team completely tanks 1-2 years after it's successful
season. Nowadays it seems that players prefer to seat on the bench at a club like Barcelona
rather than come and play for a non-top-6 EPL club.
No to Superleague
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QUOTE OF THE DAY
“It’s a reflection of Yorkshire’s strong leaning towards devolution at the moment; a way of bringing the feeling of the debate to the man or woman on the street. Giving them an outlet for their pride in Yorkshire” – Halifax native Philip Hegarty announces Yorkshire’s latest bid to sever itself from the rest of England: its own international football team, with potential fixtures against international footballing hotbeds Tibet and Greenland.
FIVER LETTERS
“A moment of respect for Arsène? During the many years of Wenger Out banners/planes/tattoos, our fine French friend outlasted Moyes Out, Mourinho Out (twice), Pards Out (multi), Big Sam Out (ditto), Juande Ramos-AVB-Gillet Tim Out (ahhh, Spursy memories), and now Koeman Out. If we think of Arsène as a cat with nine lives, is he still thriving with two or three lives left?” – Mike Wilner.
“It’s a reflection of Yorkshire’s strong leaning towards devolution at the moment; a way of bringing the feeling of the debate to the man or woman on the street. Giving them an outlet for their pride in Yorkshire” – Halifax native Philip Hegarty announces Yorkshire’s latest bid to sever itself from the rest of England: its own international football team, with potential fixtures against international footballing hotbeds Tibet and Greenland.
FIVER LETTERS
“A moment of respect for Arsène? During the many years of Wenger Out banners/planes/tattoos, our fine French friend outlasted Moyes Out, Mourinho Out (twice), Pards Out (multi), Big Sam Out (ditto), Juande Ramos-AVB-Gillet Tim Out (ahhh, Spursy memories), and now Koeman Out. If we think of Arsène as a cat with nine lives, is he still thriving with two or three lives left?” – Mike Wilner.
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Wolves survived at the Etihad for 120 minutes, only to succumb on penalties. Bravo was the hero again saving 2, after having saved like 3 1-on-1s during the game.
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The band plays on but dissatisfaction with the Premier League is growing
by Jacob Steinberg Today
Many top-flight clubs have been stripped of the right to dream of anything grander than existing. The result is boredom in some places and anger in others
``It goes without saying that it is the best and most competitive league in the world; we know this because the man on the television says so. Selling the product has been perfected to a tee. Stadiums are packed, television rights are sold at astronomical fees, clubs are richer than ever and there is little sense the bubble is about to burst any time soon. Complaints about inequality are aired every year, but nothing much is done and people keep buying tickets and tuning in. Harking back to a supposed golden age is, well, a bit passé. Ten years ago people were grumbling about the dominance of the Big Four, while Manchester United won everything in the 90s. Misty-eyed nostalgia is easier to dismiss if it just seems like there is no pleasing some people
The effect is damaging. Transfer fees went wild in the summer but few teams have improved and anger tends to follow when hype is revealed to be empty rhetoric, especially when people are paying so much for tickets and television subscriptions. Everton, cut adrift on their own little seventh-placed island, spent £140m and have managed to get worse. The early excitement swiftly disappeared, leaving Evertonians to confront the futility of it all. Eerie silence fell over Goodison Park during the recent Europa League draw with 10-man Apollon Limassol despite the significance of the game. The only hint of an atmosphere were the jeers at full-time. Having shown no sign of being able to reverse the decline, Ronald Koeman was fired after the 5-2 home defeat by Arsenal last Sunday.``
http://www.footytube.com/news/the-band- ... p_trendian
by Jacob Steinberg Today
Many top-flight clubs have been stripped of the right to dream of anything grander than existing. The result is boredom in some places and anger in others
``It goes without saying that it is the best and most competitive league in the world; we know this because the man on the television says so. Selling the product has been perfected to a tee. Stadiums are packed, television rights are sold at astronomical fees, clubs are richer than ever and there is little sense the bubble is about to burst any time soon. Complaints about inequality are aired every year, but nothing much is done and people keep buying tickets and tuning in. Harking back to a supposed golden age is, well, a bit passé. Ten years ago people were grumbling about the dominance of the Big Four, while Manchester United won everything in the 90s. Misty-eyed nostalgia is easier to dismiss if it just seems like there is no pleasing some people
The effect is damaging. Transfer fees went wild in the summer but few teams have improved and anger tends to follow when hype is revealed to be empty rhetoric, especially when people are paying so much for tickets and television subscriptions. Everton, cut adrift on their own little seventh-placed island, spent £140m and have managed to get worse. The early excitement swiftly disappeared, leaving Evertonians to confront the futility of it all. Eerie silence fell over Goodison Park during the recent Europa League draw with 10-man Apollon Limassol despite the significance of the game. The only hint of an atmosphere were the jeers at full-time. Having shown no sign of being able to reverse the decline, Ronald Koeman was fired after the 5-2 home defeat by Arsenal last Sunday.``
http://www.footytube.com/news/the-band- ... p_trendian
Still EPL is a much more competitive league than other top European leagues with better opportunities for small clubs. They are really doing as much as possible to equalize the odds, American recipe (draft and salary cap) is not realistic.
In today's draw for the League Cup quaterfinals all 4 big teams left were kept apart (Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd). What were the odds of that happening?
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69/1. The draw wasn't shown live due to "technical problems" but was recorded!Todor wrote:In today's draw for the League Cup quaterfinals all 4 big teams left were kept apart (Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd). What were the odds of that happening?
Three of the QF ties match previous FA Cup finals (1909, 1969 and 1980), The other one involves Bournemouth.
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One can only imagine what kind of horrific future awaits
by Simon Burnton Today
(NO) BIG GUNS
Thursday’s riotous Arsenal AGM at the Emirates Stadium, which ended with chairman Sir Henry Chippendale “Chips” Keswick being booed from the stage, wasn’t the first time a member of his family has had an uncomfortable experience at this kind of thing. The Keswick clan’s troubled history with public meetings held at sporting venues goes back to 1941; when Sir Chippendale was a week shy of his first birthday, his dad, Sir William Johnstone “Tony” Keswick, attended a ratepayers’ meeting at Shanghai Racecourse in his position as Shanghai Municipal Council chairman. The meeting turned ugly after a contentious vote, leading to “some minutes of indescribable confusion and rioting” (according to the Associated Press) and Keswick getting shot twice (“only flesh wounds”). So when Chips abandoned this Q&A session because “I think you are getting very angry so there is no point continuing”, perhaps he wasn’t just being pr1ckly – even if one attendee had already accused him of giving the “impression you have had enough of the peasants”.
By then some key decisions had been taken. Well, long before then, as it turned out. Arsenal’s AGM essentially involves shareholders being invited into one of their function rooms, where they are told some meaningless platitudes before being informed they can vote on stuff if they like, but their opinions are meaningless because some guy who hasn’t bothered to turn up can do whatever he wants. Thus Chips and Josh Kroenke, 37-year-old son of majority shareholder Stan, retained their seats on the board despite heavily losing a vote of those present, because Josh’s dad says they’re OK. One can only imagine what Chips thinks about Kroenke Jr being gifted his position, though given that his son Adam is the fifth generation of Keswicks to sit on the board of what is now the Bermuda-based conglomerate Jardine Matheson, The Fiver guesses he probably doesn’t mind.
The board’s make-up was one of the key issues. When one questioner suggested Arsenal have “an ageing board lacking in diversity”, Chips honked: “The reality is we have a diverse modern organisation.” Even in the room, people laughed at this one. Keswick, a white man born in 1940, sits on the board with Peter Hill-Wood, a white man born in 1936, Ken Friar, a white man born in 1934, Philip Harris (AKA Lord Harris of Peckham) a white man born in 1942, Stan Kroenke, a white man born in 1947, plus Ivan Gazidis, a white man born in 1964, and Kroenke Jr, born in 1980. Ignoring the latter, who is there because of his father and compared with his colleagues is barely out of nappies, the average member of this “diverse modern organisation” is 73 years old, and all of them are white males.
But perhaps the key statement came from Gazidis, the splendidly-remunerated chief suit (£2.648m in the last year we know about), when prompted to defend the club’s transfer dealings. “Fortunately there is one very accurate way of telling how the club is performing,” he sniffed, presumably referring to its bank balance, rather than the league table they last topped at any meaningful moment over 13 years ago. But no, he waded in with this zinger: “Arsenal has probably been the most consistently overperforming big team over time.” This must have been the same presentation he gave to Alexis Sánchez, shortly before the Chilean decided he had no intention of staying a moment longer than he had to and started fluttering his eyelashes at Pep Guardiola. If the recent past has represented overperformance, one can only imagine what kind of horrific future awaits when they start simply performing – or quite how loud the AGM booing will become once they get there.
by Simon Burnton Today
(NO) BIG GUNS
Thursday’s riotous Arsenal AGM at the Emirates Stadium, which ended with chairman Sir Henry Chippendale “Chips” Keswick being booed from the stage, wasn’t the first time a member of his family has had an uncomfortable experience at this kind of thing. The Keswick clan’s troubled history with public meetings held at sporting venues goes back to 1941; when Sir Chippendale was a week shy of his first birthday, his dad, Sir William Johnstone “Tony” Keswick, attended a ratepayers’ meeting at Shanghai Racecourse in his position as Shanghai Municipal Council chairman. The meeting turned ugly after a contentious vote, leading to “some minutes of indescribable confusion and rioting” (according to the Associated Press) and Keswick getting shot twice (“only flesh wounds”). So when Chips abandoned this Q&A session because “I think you are getting very angry so there is no point continuing”, perhaps he wasn’t just being pr1ckly – even if one attendee had already accused him of giving the “impression you have had enough of the peasants”.
By then some key decisions had been taken. Well, long before then, as it turned out. Arsenal’s AGM essentially involves shareholders being invited into one of their function rooms, where they are told some meaningless platitudes before being informed they can vote on stuff if they like, but their opinions are meaningless because some guy who hasn’t bothered to turn up can do whatever he wants. Thus Chips and Josh Kroenke, 37-year-old son of majority shareholder Stan, retained their seats on the board despite heavily losing a vote of those present, because Josh’s dad says they’re OK. One can only imagine what Chips thinks about Kroenke Jr being gifted his position, though given that his son Adam is the fifth generation of Keswicks to sit on the board of what is now the Bermuda-based conglomerate Jardine Matheson, The Fiver guesses he probably doesn’t mind.
The board’s make-up was one of the key issues. When one questioner suggested Arsenal have “an ageing board lacking in diversity”, Chips honked: “The reality is we have a diverse modern organisation.” Even in the room, people laughed at this one. Keswick, a white man born in 1940, sits on the board with Peter Hill-Wood, a white man born in 1936, Ken Friar, a white man born in 1934, Philip Harris (AKA Lord Harris of Peckham) a white man born in 1942, Stan Kroenke, a white man born in 1947, plus Ivan Gazidis, a white man born in 1964, and Kroenke Jr, born in 1980. Ignoring the latter, who is there because of his father and compared with his colleagues is barely out of nappies, the average member of this “diverse modern organisation” is 73 years old, and all of them are white males.
But perhaps the key statement came from Gazidis, the splendidly-remunerated chief suit (£2.648m in the last year we know about), when prompted to defend the club’s transfer dealings. “Fortunately there is one very accurate way of telling how the club is performing,” he sniffed, presumably referring to its bank balance, rather than the league table they last topped at any meaningful moment over 13 years ago. But no, he waded in with this zinger: “Arsenal has probably been the most consistently overperforming big team over time.” This must have been the same presentation he gave to Alexis Sánchez, shortly before the Chilean decided he had no intention of staying a moment longer than he had to and started fluttering his eyelashes at Pep Guardiola. If the recent past has represented overperformance, one can only imagine what kind of horrific future awaits when they start simply performing – or quite how loud the AGM booing will become once they get there.
1/105 (or 0.0095) is the probability of exactly those pairings. The probability of 4 big teams not meeting each other is much higher around 0.22. So basically it would happen less often than 1 out of 4 times but more often than 1 out of 5 timesMalcolmW wrote:69/1. The draw wasn't shown live due to "technical problems" but was recorded!Todor wrote:In today's draw for the League Cup quaterfinals all 4 big teams left were kept apart (Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd). What were the odds of that happening?
Three of the QF ties match previous FA Cup finals (1909, 1969 and 1980), The other one involves Bournemouth.
Thank you, anty1975.anty1975 wrote:1/105 (or 0.0095) is the probability of exactly those pairings. The probability of 4 big teams not meeting each other is much higher around 0.22. So basically it would happen less often than 1 out of 4 times but more often than 1 out of 5 timesMalcolmW wrote:69/1. The draw wasn't shown live due to "technical problems" but was recorded!Todor wrote:In today's draw for the League Cup quaterfinals all 4 big teams left were kept apart (Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd). What were the odds of that happening?
Three of the QF ties match previous FA Cup finals (1909, 1969 and 1980), The other one involves Bournemouth.
I calculated the odds myself to be 24/105 as well but needed confirmation.
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Sam Allardyce went to Qatar and flapped his gums around on the Keys and Grays show. “We [British managers] are almost deemed second class because it’s your own country today. It’s a real shame on the fact that we are highly educated, highly talented coaches with nowhere to go. We are the Premier League, which is a foreign league in England now.”
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QUOTE OF THE DAY
“From our point-of-view, it was two minutes of sheer madness. We had a chance, through on an open goal to make it 4-2 to kill the game. We didn’t convert and before that, we had a corner but we didn’t do the right thing which was manage the game. I’m tired of saying it but mistakes cost us goals and that’s exactly what happened today” – Widnes FC’s joint-boss Steve Akrigg gets it wrong: it was actually one minute of sheer madness that led to a 3-1 lead against Padiham becoming a 3-3 draw in the most comically absurd finish you’ll see to a game in quite some time.
http://www.footytube.com/news/curse-you ... p_trendian
Scroll down and watch the clip under the ``quote of the day``. Hilarious!
“From our point-of-view, it was two minutes of sheer madness. We had a chance, through on an open goal to make it 4-2 to kill the game. We didn’t convert and before that, we had a corner but we didn’t do the right thing which was manage the game. I’m tired of saying it but mistakes cost us goals and that’s exactly what happened today” – Widnes FC’s joint-boss Steve Akrigg gets it wrong: it was actually one minute of sheer madness that led to a 3-1 lead against Padiham becoming a 3-3 draw in the most comically absurd finish you’ll see to a game in quite some time.
http://www.footytube.com/news/curse-you ... p_trendian
Scroll down and watch the clip under the ``quote of the day``. Hilarious!