2023/24 UEFA club season (Champions League, Europa League, Europa Conference League): List of qualified teams

[HugoBenfica12]

The danish CW has the chance to start of in UEL Q3 next season.

That will happen if:

- Russia remains banned.
- UEL winner qualify for UCL domestically.
- UECL winner qualify for UCL/UEL domestically.



PS! @dnina10 helped me understand this.

i kind doubt Russia will have some teams return to europe

[Fotcalc]

and Rosenberg

Markus Rosenberg have retired a long time ago

Btw, if both Russia remains banned, and the ECL titleholder spot remains unused. The cup winner will be promoted to EL q3. Rather than ECL q3.

This is correct, but norwegian CW will also qualify for UEL Q3 if two of these happen:

- Russia stay banned
- UECL winner qualify for UEL/UCL domestically
- UEL winner qualify for UCL domestically

In other words, this means that the Norwegian CW only need the UEL winner to qualify for UCL domestically and a Russian ban for them to start in UEL Q3.

The reason for this is because when UEL winner qualify for UCL domestically and Russia are banned this happen to the 23/24 access list:

- 3rd from NA 5: UCL Q3nc ---> UCL GS
- 3rd from NA 6: UCL Q3nc ---> UCL POnc
- Only 3 clubs drop from UCL Q3nc to UEL GS
- CW from NA 7: UEL PO ---> UEL GS
- CW from NA 15: UEL Q3 ---> UEL PO
- CW from NA 17: UECL Q3 ---> UEL Q3
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If Russia are banned and the UEL and UECL TH spots are used, the Norwegian CW start in UECL Q3.

If Russia are let back in and the UEL or UECL TH spot (not both) is unused, the Norwegian CW start in UECL Q2.
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Isn't this correct @kassiesa?

[eye]

This is correct, but norwegian CW will also qualify for UEL Q3 if two of these happen:

- Russia stay banned
- UECL winner qualify for UEL/UCL domestically
- UEL winner qualify for UCL domestically

In other words, this means that the Norwegian CW only need the UEL winner to qualify for UCL domestically and a Russian ban for them to start in UEL Q3.

The reason for this is because when UEL winner qualify for UCL domestically and Russia are banned this happen to the 23/24 access list:

- 3rd from NA 5: UCL Q3nc ---> UCL GS
- 3rd from NA 6: UCL Q3nc ---> UCL POnc
- Only 3 clubs drop from UCL Q3nc to UEL GS
- CW from NA 7: UEL PO ---> UEL GS
- CW from NA 15: UEL Q3 ---> UEL PO
- CW from NA 17: UECL Q3 ---> UEL Q3
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If Russia are banned and the UEL and UECL TH spots are used, the Norwegian CW start in UECL Q3.

If Russia are let back in and the UEL or UECL TH spot (not both) is unused, the Norwegian CW start in UECL Q2.
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Isn't this correct @kassiesa?

If EL winner qualify domestically to CL then the 3rd of NA5 will start at GS and the 2nd of NA12 and NA13 will start at CL q3nc and there will be just 1 pair at CL q2nc (assuming Russia is still banned). You can check how the access list is tranformed at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1507053325
At this file it is assumed the the club with most points from the remaining at each competition will be the winner so currently Barcelona is assumed to be the EL winner and since is currently first at Spain is also qualifying directly to CL GS so it is the situation you are asking for.

[Fotcalc]

This is correct, but norwegian CW will also qualify for UEL Q3 if two of these happen:

- Russia stay banned
- UECL winner qualify for UEL/UCL domestically
- UEL winner qualify for UCL domestically

In other words, this means that the Norwegian CW only need the UEL winner to qualify for UCL domestically and a Russian ban for them to start in UEL Q3.

The reason for this is because when UEL winner qualify for UCL domestically and Russia are banned this happen to the 23/24 access list:

- 3rd from NA 5: UCL Q3nc ---> UCL GS
- 3rd from NA 6: UCL Q3nc ---> UCL POnc
- Only 3 clubs drop from UCL Q3nc to UEL GS
- CW from NA 7: UEL PO ---> UEL GS
- CW from NA 15: UEL Q3 ---> UEL PO
- CW from NA 17: UECL Q3 ---> UEL Q3
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If Russia are banned and the UEL and UECL TH spots are used, the Norwegian CW start in UECL Q3.

If Russia are let back in and the UEL or UECL TH spot (not both) is unused, the Norwegian CW start in UECL Q2.
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Isn't this correct @kassiesa?

If EL winner qualify domestically to CL then the 3rd of NA5 will start at GS and the 2nd of NA12 and NA13 will start at CL q3nc and there will be just 1 pair at CL q2nc (assuming Russia is still banned). You can check how the access list is tranformed at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1507053325
At this file it is assumed the the club with most points from the remaining at each competition will be the winner so currently Barcelona is assumed to be the EL winner and since is currently first at Spain is also qualifying directly to CL GS so it is the situation you are asking for.

I know that the spreadsheet you are reffering to say that there will only be one tie in UCL Q2nc, but UEFA doesn't like to only have one club dropping from UCL Q2nc (spoke to @dnina10). That means there will be two ties (N2 from NA 12-13 stay in UCL Q2nc).

Also, N3 from NA 6 will go to UCL POnc.

With two ties in UCL Q2nc, there will be three ties in UCL Q3nc, which means only three clubs drop drom UCL Q3nc to UEL GS.

[Fotcalc]

Does anyone have more knowledge about this so we can settle the debate?

[Fotcalc]

This is the correct access list (UEL TH unused and RUS ban) based on my knowledge:

This has no round in any path with only one tie.

[eye]

This is not how it is working. Whenever there is an empty spot for any reason UEFA is filling the empty spot by promoting club(s) from the previous round and never promotes another club of the round with the empty spot to a higher round. They promoted 2 clubs from CL-q2nc to CL-q3nc to fill the spot of the Russian club that will be missing instead of promoting FRA-N3 to CL-POnc and they are always promoting 2 clubs from CL-q2nc to CL-q3nc whenever the EL winner qualified to CL domestically. Why should they do something different now?

[Fotcalc]

This is not how it is working. Whenever there is an empty spot for any reason UEFA is filling the empty spot by promoting club(s) from the previous round and never promotes another club of the round with the empty spot to a higher round. They promoted 2 clubs from CL-q2nc to CL-q3nc to fill the spot of the Russian club that will be missing instead of promoting FRA-N3 to CL-POnc and they are always promoting 2 clubs from CL-q2nc to CL-q3nc whenever the EL winner qualified to CL domestically. Why should they do something different now?

For the 22/23 access list Russia were 8th. For 23/24 they are 10th and their N2 therefore start in Q2nc instead of Q3nc like this season.

Could that make a difference?

[eye]

This is not how it is working. Whenever there is an empty spot for any reason UEFA is filling the empty spot by promoting club(s) from the previous round and never promotes another club of the round with the empty spot to a higher round. They promoted 2 clubs from CL-q2nc to CL-q3nc to fill the spot of the Russian club that will be missing instead of promoting FRA-N3 to CL-POnc and they are always promoting 2 clubs from CL-q2nc to CL-q3nc whenever the EL winner qualified to CL domestically. Why should they do something different now?

For the 22/23 access list Russia were 8th. For 23/24 they are 10th and their N2 therefore start in Q2nc instead of Q3nc like this season.

Could that make a difference?

No it is the same situation. The logic of UEFA is very simple. UEFA at nc path needs 2 pairs at PO (4clubs) which means 4 pairs at CL-ncq3 (8 clubs). The remaining clubs will be eliminated at the CL-q2nc so if there are 11 clubs totally in competition there will be 3 pairs, if there are 10 clubs there will be 2 pairs etc. This happens to every path and every competition. For example at CL-q2ch we need to have 20 clubs and there are 20 clubs every year at this round. CL-q3ch and cl-poch every year have the same number of clubs. Only the number of pairs at CL-q1ch changes because we need to ensure that there will be 20 clubs at next round. Always the first round of each is to create the needed amount of clubs that are required to run properly the whole qualification and for CL nc path the first round is CL-q2nc.

[Fotcalc]

This is not how it is working. Whenever there is an empty spot for any reason UEFA is filling the empty spot by promoting club(s) from the previous round and never promotes another club of the round with the empty spot to a higher round. They promoted 2 clubs from CL-q2nc to CL-q3nc to fill the spot of the Russian club that will be missing instead of promoting FRA-N3 to CL-POnc and they are always promoting 2 clubs from CL-q2nc to CL-q3nc whenever the EL winner qualified to CL domestically. Why should they do something different now?

For the 22/23 access list Russia were 8th. For 23/24 they are 10th and their N2 therefore start in Q2nc instead of Q3nc like this season.

Could that make a difference?

No it is the same situation. The logic of UEFA is very simple. UEFA at nc path needs 2 pairs at PO (4clubs) which means 4 pairs at CL-ncq3 (8 clubs). The remaining clubs will be eliminated at the CL-q2nc so if there are 11 clubs totally in competition there will be 3 pairs, if there are 10 clubs there will be 2 pairs etc. This happens to every path and every competition. For example at CL-q2ch we need to have 20 clubs and there are 20 clubs every year at this round. CL-q3ch and cl-poch every year have the same number of clubs. Only the number of pairs at CL-q1ch changes because we need to ensure that there will be 20 clubs at next round. Always the first round of each is to create the needed amount of clubs that are required to run properly the whole qualification and for CL nc path the first round is CL-q2nc.

I realize I'm not the person to say you're wrong. My knowledge is not as deep as yours.

However, I have heard from @dnina10 that two clubs in UEL Q3 is illogical and that he has "requisite contacts to verify that".

[Fotcalc]

For the 22/23 access list Russia were 8th. For 23/24 they are 10th and their N2 therefore start in Q2nc instead of Q3nc like this season.

Could that make a difference?

No it is the same situation. The logic of UEFA is very simple. UEFA at nc path needs 2 pairs at PO (4clubs) which means 4 pairs at CL-ncq3 (8 clubs). The remaining clubs will be eliminated at the CL-q2nc so if there are 11 clubs totally in competition there will be 3 pairs, if there are 10 clubs there will be 2 pairs etc. This happens to every path and every competition. For example at CL-q2ch we need to have 20 clubs and there are 20 clubs every year at this round. CL-q3ch and cl-poch every year have the same number of clubs. Only the number of pairs at CL-q1ch changes because we need to ensure that there will be 20 clubs at next round. Always the first round of each is to create the needed amount of clubs that are required to run properly the whole qualification and for CL nc path the first round is CL-q2nc.

I realize I'm not the person to say you're wrong. My knowledge is not as deep as yours.

However, I have heard from @dnina10 that two clubs in UEL Q3 is illogical and that he has "requisite contacts to verify that".

I see the pattern of only having 8 clubs in UEL Q3nc and 4 in UEL POnc.

My understanding is that they try to preserve the pattern, but making shure there isn't a round in a path with only one tie has a higher priority.

[amenina]

The Georgian league finished today, with the top three teams qualifying for Europe:
1. Dinamo Tbilisi (CL-Q1)
2. Dinamo Batumi (ECL-Q1)
3. Dila Gori (ECL-Q1)

The cup final will be played on Wednesday between Torpedo Kutaisi and Lokomotivi Tbilisi II. If Torpedo Kutaisi win the cup, they will qualify for ECL-Q1. If Lokomotivi Tbilisi II win the cup, since they are a reserve team and ineligible for Europe, Samgurali Tsqaltubo, which finished fourth in the league, will qualify for ECL-Q1.

[amenina]

The Georgian league finished today, with the top three teams qualifying for Europe:
1. Dinamo Tbilisi (CL-Q1)
2. Dinamo Batumi (ECL-Q1)
3. Dila Gori (ECL-Q1)

The cup final will be played on Wednesday between Torpedo Kutaisi and Lokomotivi Tbilisi II. If Torpedo Kutaisi win the cup, they will qualify for ECL-Q1. If Lokomotivi Tbilisi II win the cup, since they are a reserve team and ineligible for Europe, Samgurali Tsqaltubo, which finished fourth in the league, will qualify for ECL-Q1.

Torpedo Kutaisi won 2-0 and qualified for ECL-Q1.

This completes all European qualification for 2022!

The next team to qualify for Europe is most likely the winner of the English League Cup, to be decided on 26 February 2023.

[TommyChat]

Celtic is the 1st team from non-summer leagues to qualify for European football as they are assured of top 4 with 12 games left to play.

They are 36 points ahead of 4th placed Hibernian, 37 points ahead of 5th placed St. Mirren and 38 ahead of 6th placed Livingston who has 13 games left to play. But since there are two games between Hibernian and Livingston left to be played technically only one of them can reach the 73 points Celtic has.

[seso]

This completes all European qualification for 2022!

The next team to qualify for Europe is most likely the winner of the English League Cup, to be decided on 26 February 2023.

Reo Hatate thought differently!