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Post by bugylibicska »

Kev wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 06:08
Kev wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 14:52 A look at the pathways (grouped in Brackets) and includes where hosts could end up

Left bracket

Semi Final M101: Winner of 97 vs 98

Quarter Final M97: Winner of 89 vs 90

Round of 16 M89: Winner of 74 vs 77

Round of 32 M74: 1E vs 3ABCDF Mex/Can/USA
Round of 32 M77: 1I vs 3CDFGH USA

Round of 16 M90: Winner of 73 vs 75

Round of 32 M73: 2A Mex vs 2B Can
Round of 32 M75: 1F vs 2C


Quarter Final M98: Winner of 93 vs 94

Round of 16 M93: Winner of 83 vs 84

Round of 32 M83: 2K vs 2L
Round of 32 M84: 1H vs 2J

Round of 16 M94: Winner of 81 vs 82

Round of 32 M81: 1D USA vs 3BEFIJ CAN
Round of 32 M82: 1G vs 3AEHIJ MEX


Right bracket

Semi Final M101: Winner of 99 vs 100

Quarter Final M99: Winner of 91 vs 92

Round of 16 M91: Winner of 76 vs 78

Round of 32 M76: 1C vs 2F
Round of 32 M78: 2E vs 2I

Round of 16 M92: Winner of 79 vs 80

Round of 32 M79: 1A Mex vs 3CEFHI
Round of 32 M80: 1L vs 3EHIJK


Quarter Final M100: Winner of 95 vs 96

Round of 16 M95: Winner of 86 vs 88

Round of 32 M86: 1J vs 2H
Round of 32 M88: 2D USA vs 2G

Round of 16 M96: Winner of 85 vs 87

Round of 32 M85: 1B can vs 3EFGIJ
Round of 32 M87: 1K vs 3DEIJL USA


Looks like the earliest that any teams can meet from the same group is the quarter finals which is fair enough.

The earliest that hosts can meet is the Round of 32 should both Canada and Mexico finish runner up in their groups, or if USA win their group and Canada finish 3rd in their group and the combinations of 3rd match that.

If all 3 hosts win their groups, 2 of them can first meet in the semi finals, namely Canada and Mexico, and it’s possible for either of them to face USA in the final should it get to that.
Also possible for Canada and Mexico to meet in final but one has to finish top and the other 2nd in their groups.

Possible for 2 3rd placed teams to meet in the Round of 16 which I find unsusual, but I guess that is due to scheduling this knockout stage in such a way for other factors.

Also noticed that the winner and runner up from the same group will not meet again until the final which is great
I think that was always the case at every WCs.
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Post by Kev »

bugylibicska wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 07:42
Kev wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 06:08
Kev wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 14:52 A look at the pathways (grouped in Brackets) and includes where hosts could end up

Left bracket

Semi Final M101: Winner of 97 vs 98

Quarter Final M97: Winner of 89 vs 90

Round of 16 M89: Winner of 74 vs 77

Round of 32 M74: 1E vs 3ABCDF Mex/Can/USA
Round of 32 M77: 1I vs 3CDFGH USA

Round of 16 M90: Winner of 73 vs 75

Round of 32 M73: 2A Mex vs 2B Can
Round of 32 M75: 1F vs 2C


Quarter Final M98: Winner of 93 vs 94

Round of 16 M93: Winner of 83 vs 84

Round of 32 M83: 2K vs 2L
Round of 32 M84: 1H vs 2J

Round of 16 M94: Winner of 81 vs 82

Round of 32 M81: 1D USA vs 3BEFIJ CAN
Round of 32 M82: 1G vs 3AEHIJ MEX


Right bracket

Semi Final M101: Winner of 99 vs 100

Quarter Final M99: Winner of 91 vs 92

Round of 16 M91: Winner of 76 vs 78

Round of 32 M76: 1C vs 2F
Round of 32 M78: 2E vs 2I

Round of 16 M92: Winner of 79 vs 80

Round of 32 M79: 1A Mex vs 3CEFHI
Round of 32 M80: 1L vs 3EHIJK


Quarter Final M100: Winner of 95 vs 96

Round of 16 M95: Winner of 86 vs 88

Round of 32 M86: 1J vs 2H
Round of 32 M88: 2D USA vs 2G

Round of 16 M96: Winner of 85 vs 87

Round of 32 M85: 1B can vs 3EFGIJ
Round of 32 M87: 1K vs 3DEIJL USA


Looks like the earliest that any teams can meet from the same group is the quarter finals which is fair enough.

The earliest that hosts can meet is the Round of 32 should both Canada and Mexico finish runner up in their groups, or if USA win their group and Canada finish 3rd in their group and the combinations of 3rd match that.

If all 3 hosts win their groups, 2 of them can first meet in the semi finals, namely Canada and Mexico, and it’s possible for either of them to face USA in the final should it get to that.
Also possible for Canada and Mexico to meet in final but one has to finish top and the other 2nd in their groups.

Possible for 2 3rd placed teams to meet in the Round of 16 which I find unsusual, but I guess that is due to scheduling this knockout stage in such a way for other factors.

Also noticed that the winner and runner up from the same group will not meet again until the final which is great
I think that was always the case at every WCs.

That is true. I’m just glad it’s still intact
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Post by diyx »

bugylibicska wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 07:42
Kev wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 06:08
Kev wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 14:52 A look at the pathways (grouped in Brackets) and includes where hosts could end up

Left bracket

Semi Final M101: Winner of 97 vs 98

Quarter Final M97: Winner of 89 vs 90

Round of 16 M89: Winner of 74 vs 77

Round of 32 M74: 1E vs 3ABCDF Mex/Can/USA
Round of 32 M77: 1I vs 3CDFGH USA

Round of 16 M90: Winner of 73 vs 75

Round of 32 M73: 2A Mex vs 2B Can
Round of 32 M75: 1F vs 2C


Quarter Final M98: Winner of 93 vs 94

Round of 16 M93: Winner of 83 vs 84

Round of 32 M83: 2K vs 2L
Round of 32 M84: 1H vs 2J

Round of 16 M94: Winner of 81 vs 82

Round of 32 M81: 1D USA vs 3BEFIJ CAN
Round of 32 M82: 1G vs 3AEHIJ MEX


Right bracket

Semi Final M101: Winner of 99 vs 100

Quarter Final M99: Winner of 91 vs 92

Round of 16 M91: Winner of 76 vs 78

Round of 32 M76: 1C vs 2F
Round of 32 M78: 2E vs 2I

Round of 16 M92: Winner of 79 vs 80

Round of 32 M79: 1A Mex vs 3CEFHI
Round of 32 M80: 1L vs 3EHIJK


Quarter Final M100: Winner of 95 vs 96

Round of 16 M95: Winner of 86 vs 88

Round of 32 M86: 1J vs 2H
Round of 32 M88: 2D USA vs 2G

Round of 16 M96: Winner of 85 vs 87

Round of 32 M85: 1B can vs 3EFGIJ
Round of 32 M87: 1K vs 3DEIJL USA


Looks like the earliest that any teams can meet from the same group is the quarter finals which is fair enough.

The earliest that hosts can meet is the Round of 32 should both Canada and Mexico finish runner up in their groups, or if USA win their group and Canada finish 3rd in their group and the combinations of 3rd match that.

If all 3 hosts win their groups, 2 of them can first meet in the semi finals, namely Canada and Mexico, and it’s possible for either of them to face USA in the final should it get to that.
Also possible for Canada and Mexico to meet in final but one has to finish top and the other 2nd in their groups.

Possible for 2 3rd placed teams to meet in the Round of 16 which I find unsusual, but I guess that is due to scheduling this knockout stage in such a way for other factors.

Also noticed that the winner and runner up from the same group will not meet again until the final which is great
I think that was always the case at every WCs.
In 2002 Brazil and Turkey who were together in the same group met in the semi finals.
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Post by amenina »

diyx wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 08:35
bugylibicska wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 07:42
Kev wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 06:08


Also noticed that the winner and runner up from the same group will not meet again until the final which is great
I think that was always the case at every WCs.
In 2002 Brazil and Turkey who were together in the same group met in the semi finals.
And Brazil and Sweden in 1994, top two of Group B and met again in the semi-finals.
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Shing wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:16 Looking forward to the 495 combinations of qualified third-placed teams
3rd placed teams of K and L can only face group winners of L and K respectively if they advance. 3nd of groups A, B and G have only 2 possible group winners.
On the other hand 3rd Group I and E appear at 6 group winners and the ones of F and J at 5.
3rd of H at 4 and those of C and D at 3 are in the middle.
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Post by diyx »

TommyChat wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 09:49
Shing wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:16 Looking forward to the 495 combinations of qualified third-placed teams
3rd placed teams of K and L can only face group winners of L and K respectively if they advance. 3nd of groups A, B and G have only 2 possible group winners.
On the other hand 3rd Group I and E appear at 6 group winners and the ones of F and J at 5.
3rd of H at 4 and those of C and D at 3 are in the middle.
A look-up table is not required anyways. You can just solve this problem rule-based. The rules can be simple:

1. If only one 3rd placed team is eligible in one pairing, fix this pairing. Remove this team from all other pairings.

1a. Repeat 1 until there is no more clear solution.

2. Choose the first open pairing with multiple possible 3rd placed team. Pick the team with the lowest group on alphanumerical order. Remove this team from all other pairings.

3. Go back to 1.
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Post by Kev »

diyx wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 08:35
bugylibicska wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 07:42
Kev wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 06:08


Also noticed that the winner and runner up from the same group will not meet again until the final which is great
I think that was always the case at every WCs.
In 2002 Brazil and Turkey who were together in the same group met in the semi finals.
Also true. That World Cup they basically had 2 mini world cups. 16 teams playing in Japan for a final spot, and the remainder in Korea playing for the other spot
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Post by Kev »

amenina wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 08:40
diyx wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 08:35
bugylibicska wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 07:42

I think that was always the case at every WCs.
In 2002 Brazil and Turkey who were together in the same group met in the semi finals.
And Brazil and Sweden in 1994, top two of Group B and met again in the semi-finals.
True as well. As I remember the pairings seemed a bit off when I studied them.
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Post by Kev »

TommyChat wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 09:49
Shing wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:16 Looking forward to the 495 combinations of qualified third-placed teams
3rd placed teams of K and L can only face group winners of L and K respectively if they advance. 3nd of groups A, B and G have only 2 possible group winners.
On the other hand 3rd Group I and E appear at 6 group winners and the ones of F and J at 5.
3rd of H at 4 and those of C and D at 3 are in the middle.
I just noticed that too for K and L’s 3rds. Interesting that it’s only one option for both.
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Post by bugylibicska »

diyx wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 08:35
bugylibicska wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 07:42
Kev wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 06:08


Also noticed that the winner and runner up from the same group will not meet again until the final which is great
I think that was always the case at every WCs.
In 2002 Brazil and Turkey who were together in the same group met in the semi finals.
Hmmm. True, I remember. Maybe they couldn't imagine Turkey as a semi finalist?
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Kev wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 16:26
Kev wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 07:52
bugylibicska wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 07:42

I think that was always the case at every WCs.
I’ll say this. It won’t be easy remembering these matchups. I really have only remembered off by heart that 2A vs 2B, 2D vs 2G and 2E vs 2I, and that 3L will play 1K and 3K will play 1L if they advance. I have to keep checking for the others.

Previously it was very straightforward: 1A vs 2B, 1B vs 2A etc
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Post by Matt7r »

Shing wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:16 Looking forward to the 495 combinations of qualified third-placed teams
I don’t think it will work like this. Here’s how it could work:

Once Groups A to F are completed on Thursday 25 June, a third placed team from ABCDF that is sure to qualify could be allocated to match 74.

The following day, we will know 5 3rd placed qualifiers from the first 9 groups and somehow 2 of the 4 not already allocated to match 74 could be placed into match 77 and 79 before we know the outcome of groups J, K and L (unless it is uncertain whether C3 will qualify in which case they might hold one match open for another day - probably 77 - as group C teams will likely be based close to New York).

The remaining of the best 8 third placed will be known on Saturday 27 June and will then be allocated.
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Post by Matt7r »

Ok, I don’t think my suggestion will completely work as D3 can only play in three matches, two of the first 3 involving 3rd placed teams mentioned above and the final one which is match 87, which L3 has to play in if they qualify.

But perhaps they will allocate the third placed team to match 74 early, otherwise the allocated team probably wouldn’t be able to travel until the day before the game, which for B3 or D3 is west coast to east coast - not ideal the day before a match (you might argue that they will engineer the combinations so short notice long distance travel is highly unlikely ie only needed if other better travel options fail to qualify).
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Post by TommyChat »

There are some patterns in KO pairings
(excluding 3rd placed teams)

The 4 pairings that the winner face a runner up are:
1C - 2F
1F - 2C
1H - 2J
1J - 2H
On the other hand these pairings are paired with RU vs RU in Ro16.

In the other 8 groups the group winners are facing a 3rd placed team and the runners up another runner up BUT these 8 group winners can face each other in Ro16.

Now the pairings of Group Runners-up against one another in Ro16 are:
2D vs 2G
2E vs 2I
2A vs 2B
2K vs 2L
Now if all group winners beat the 3rd placed teams they face we'll have these group winners facing each other in Ro16:
1D vs 1G
1E vs 1I
1A vs 1L
1B vs 1K

So there are some group pairings again: C and F, H and J clear, as well as D and G, E and I.
A, B, K, L are not probably because 2A vs 2B was the only game that could be played on this stadium on this date and they didn't want 1A facing 1B on Ro16 due to both including hosts.

Until the quarterfinals the sets of GWs and RWs of A/C/F/E/I and D/G/H/J/K are split as happened with A-D and E-H in the past.
B and L are an exception to this.
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