Euro 2024 knockout phase

[mspm89]

I would be really wary of the Turks now. Ok, there haven't really been any of those crazy comebacks from 2008, but it would be silly to underrate them at this stage.

[seso]

Well done to Turkey, a great result! Turkey vs Netherlands should be a good match!

[greenbay]

England now had two games in Gelsenkirchen. Question is what's more ugly. City of Gelsenkirchen or England football?

Gelsenkirchen is the ugliest city in Germany…

Still enough to beat half of the top 20 list of the most beautiful cities in England.

[bjkman1903]

I would be really wary of the Turks now. Ok, there haven't really been any of those crazy comebacks from 2008, but it would be silly to underrate them at this stage.

There are still many parallels with EURO 2008 at this point :

- Qualified in a group with Portugal & Czechia
- Croatia (dark horse 2008) won a group beating Germany, then lost to Turkey
- Austria (dark horse 2024) won a group beating Netherlands, then lost to Turkey
- Turkey played Germany in 2008, and now we play the Netherlands.
- There is even Germany v Spain (Euro 2008 final remake) as a bonus

Last time we played Austria, we lost 6-1.
Last time we played the Netherlands, we also lost 6-1.
I hope that there is some kind of message from the universe here.

[greenbay]

Gelsenkirchen is the ugliest city in Germany and one of the ugliest in Europe.

How so? I'm really curious now.

It's a ****hole!

https://www.flickr.com/groups/gelsenkir ... 4531602803

Harry Kane and company were lucky just to spend two nights there. Just heard in the radio that some singer called Taylor Swift has booked there for three nights in July.

[Lyonnais]

WS marks - Update after R16


KO games count double
average of the best 3 marks


Top 10

8.87 Cody Gapko (Liverpool, AML, 25, NED)
8.82 Merih Demiral (Al Ahli, DC, 26, TUR)
8.72 Fabian Ruiz (Paris SG, MC, 28, ESP)
8.56 Nico Williams (Athletic Club, FWL, 21, ESP)
8.50 Lamine Yamal (Barcelona, FWR, 16, ESP)
8.26 Giorgi Mamardashvili (Valencia, GK, 23, GEO)
8.02 Rodri (Man City, MC, 28, ESP)
8.01 Joao Palhinha (Fulham, DMC, 28, POR)
8.00 Jamal Musiala (Bayern, AMR, 21, GER)
7.91 Diogo Costa (Porto, GK, 24, POR)
etc.


Best XI

........... C.Gapko (NED) - R.Vargas (SUI) - L.Yamal (ESP) ...............
.............. F.Ruiz (ESP) - J.Palhinha (POR) - Rodri (ESP) ................
M.Aebischer (SUI) - M.Demiral (TUR) - A.Rüdiger (GER) - S.Posch (AUT)
........................... G.Mamardashvili (GEO) ............................


U21 Players

8.56 Nico Williams (Athletic Club, FWL, 21, ESP)
8.50 Lamine Yamal (Barcelona, FWR, 16, ESP)
8.00 Jamal Musiala (Bayern, AMR, 21, GER)
etc.

Best per team

8.87 Cody Gapko (Liverpool, AML, 25, NED)
8.82 Merih Demiral (Al Ahli, DC, 26, TUR)
8.72 Fabian Ruiz (Paris SG, MC, 28, ESP)
8.01 Joao Palhinha (Fulham, DMC, 28, POR)
8.00 Jamal Musiala (Bayern, AMR, 21, GER)
7.87 Ruben Vargas (Augsburg, AMC, 25, SUI)
7.86 Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid, AMC, 20, ENG)
7.56 Jules Koundé (Barcelona, DR, 25, FRA)

8.26 Giorgi Mamardashvili (Valencia, GK, 23, GEO)
7.83 Jan Oblak (Atletico, GK, 31, SLO)
7.75 Stefan Posch (Bologna, DR, 27, AUT)
7.61 Kevin De Bruyne (Man City, AMC, 33, BEL)
7.38 Federico Chiesa (Juventus, FWR, 26, ITA)
7.38 Radu Dragusin (Tottenham, DC, 22, ROM)
7.33 Ivan Schranz (Slavia Praha, FWR, 30, SVK)
7.25 Christian Eriksen (Man United, AMC, 32, DEN)

[Avalon]

I have a question:

How was it decided which group winner would face a 3rd place team and which 2nd place team had to face a 2nd place? Drawing lots? Or was it build into the groups before drawing the teams into them? Or something completely different?

[Club-Mate]

Austria like in the Ice Hockey WC, competitive with the strong teams and as a favorite a huge fiasco! For me they were no "dark horse pick" when it came to winning the trophy, but with this path the way to the semi final was wide open!

PS: The save was crazy

and not to forget the Handball Euro in Germany last January. Here again AUT missed the semi final so close +5 lead against Germany 12 min. to go, +4 in 9 min to go. 4 goals in a row at the end saved Germany the 22:22 (Austria hit 4-5 times the post the last 10 min. it was no longer bearable!) and moreover they lost the last match against Iceland too and herewith the SF. Anyway, handball matches can produce the highest stress levels for fans sometimes I even switch off TV for a while.
Same in ice hockey - some epic matches and then against pointless and already relegated Great Britain they lost in the last match.
However it was a great first half year for us with many highlights and great entertainment in all these popular sporting events.
Hope for a Germany - Switzerland final!

[Overgame]

I have a question:

How was it decided which group winner would face a 3rd place team and which 2nd place team had to face a 2nd place? Drawing lots? Or was it build into the groups before drawing the teams into them? Or something completely different?

The bracket was made long ago.


A similar bracket was used for Euro 2016/2020 and WC 1986/1990/1994.

[ThreeLions]

I have a question:

How was it decided which group winner would face a 3rd place team and which 2nd place team had to face a 2nd place? Drawing lots? Or was it build into the groups before drawing the teams into them? Or something completely different?

The bracket was made long ago.


A similar bracket was used for Euro 2016/2020 and WC 1986/1990/1994.

Euro 2020 was same, Euro 2016 different in terms of which winners play 3rds.

[diyx]

I have a question:

How was it decided which group winner would face a 3rd place team and which 2nd place team had to face a 2nd place? Drawing lots? Or was it build into the groups before drawing the teams into them? Or something completely different?

The bracket was made long ago.


A similar bracket was used for Euro 2016/2020 and WC 1986/1990/1994.

Euro 2020 was same, Euro 2016 different in terms of which winners play 3rds.

It's really not obvious which criteria they used to decide the R16 parinings. The logic I see is that group winners and runners up from the same group cannot meet before the final, and groups ABC and DEF are kept apart until the semi finals.

Still, group winners and their respective 3rd placed team can already meet in the quarterfinals (the Netherlands and Austria could have met if Austria had won). This was not the case at Euro 2016.

Moreover, some groups are easier than others and in some groups, it doesn't matter if you finish 1st or 2nd, you play a 2nd placed team either way. This bothers me particularly, because it is just decided by pure luck if you land in an easy or difficult group.

[ThreeLions]

The bracket was made long ago.


A similar bracket was used for Euro 2016/2020 and WC 1986/1990/1994.

Euro 2020 was same, Euro 2016 different in terms of which winners play 3rds.

It's really not obvious which criteria they used to decide the R16 parinings. The logic I see is that group winners and runners up from the same group cannot meet before the final, and groups ABC and DEF are kept apart until the semi finals.

Still, group winners and their respective 3rd placed team can already meet in the quarterfinals (the Netherlands and Austria could have met if Austria had won). This was not the case at Euro 2016.

Moreover, some groups are easier than others and in some groups, it doesn't matter if you finish 1st or 2nd, you play a 2nd placed team either way. This bothers me particularly, because it is just decided by pure luck if you land in an easy or difficult group.

Surely there is a fairer way of doing it than this?

[rpo.castro]

I would be really wary of the Turks now. Ok, there haven't really been any of those crazy comebacks from 2008, but it would be silly to underrate them at this stage.

There are still many parallels with EURO 2008 at this point :

- Qualified in a group with Portugal & Czechia
- Croatia (dark horse 2008) won a group beating Germany, then lost to Turkey
- Austria (dark horse 2024) won a group beating Netherlands, then lost to Turkey
- Turkey played Germany in 2008, and now we play the Netherlands.
- There is even Germany v Spain (Euro 2008 final remake) as a bonus

Last time we played Austria, we lost 6-1.
Last time we played the Netherlands, we also lost 6-1.
I hope that there is some kind of message from the universe here.

First I disagree Austria and Croatia 2008 being called Dark Horses. Their only achievement was beating a stronger team in group stage, that meant nothing. Both teams were kick out in first KO round-disappointing or minimum result.

This Turkey is clearly below 2008. Its younger too. In football there isn't impossibles but beating Netherlands isn't likely, and they beat Austria with luck, scoring right after the whistle, defending, and scoring on counter attack. Austria despite the defeat played a good match. They lack individual quality compared to other teams in QF, and they lack experience in advanced stages and being "favorites" in a KO match.

[air]

Euro 2020 was same, Euro 2016 different in terms of which winners play 3rds.

It's really not obvious which criteria they used to decide the R16 parinings. The logic I see is that group winners and runners up from the same group cannot meet before the final, and groups ABC and DEF are kept apart until the semi finals.

Still, group winners and their respective 3rd placed team can already meet in the quarterfinals (the Netherlands and Austria could have met if Austria had won). This was not the case at Euro 2016.

Moreover, some groups are easier than others and in some groups, it doesn't matter if you finish 1st or 2nd, you play a 2nd placed team either way. This bothers me particularly, because it is just decided by pure luck if you land in an easy or difficult group.

Surely there is a fairer way of doing it than this?

Ice hockey World Championship. Teams have an order following the world rankings, and they (theoretically) use the "snake" system. Group A is #1-4-5-8-9-12-13-16 ranked teams and Group B is #2-3-6-7-10-11-14-15 ranked teams.

Also, it was already discussed, but I totally prefer the "Swiss system" (if that's the name) to create either one group of 24 teams, two groups of 12 teams or four groups of 6 teams. Then not all teams play against all teams within a group, but only 3 group stage games are played by each team, the opponents are selected in theoretically more or less equal strength by using seeding. The last matches within a group are played at the same time.

[Shing]

It's really not obvious which criteria they used to decide the R16 parinings. The logic I see is that group winners and runners up from the same group cannot meet before the final, and groups ABC and DEF are kept apart until the semi finals.

Still, group winners and their respective 3rd placed team can already meet in the quarterfinals (the Netherlands and Austria could have met if Austria had won). This was not the case at Euro 2016.

Moreover, some groups are easier than others and in some groups, it doesn't matter if you finish 1st or 2nd, you play a 2nd placed team either way. This bothers me particularly, because it is just decided by pure luck if you land in an easy or difficult group.

Surely there is a fairer way of doing it than this?

Ice hockey World Championship. Teams have an order following the world rankings, and they (theoretically) use the "snake" system. Group A is #1-4-5-8-9-12-13-16 ranked teams and Group B is #2-3-6-7-10-11-14-15 ranked teams.

Also, it was already discussed, but I totally prefer the "Swiss system" (if that's the name) to create either one group of 24 teams, two groups of 12 teams or four groups of 6 teams. Then not all teams play against all teams within a group, but only 3 group stage games are played by each team, the opponents are selected in theoretically more or less equal strength by using seeding. The last matches within a group are played at the same time.

4 groups of 6 teams Swiss sounds good. How group draw will look like? 3 pots of 8 teams, and each group draw 2 teams from each pot?