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Ricardo wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 01:40
rpo.castro wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 00:01 @Ricardo Yes, I am one sided, right.
Max didn't 1 thing wrong, nor 2 things but 3: Moving under breaking, keeping position offtrack, forcing a driver offtrack causing a collision.

Lando Norris was divebomb? And so what? Its a legiti move. Its hard, risky but legal and legit contrasting with your fellow countryman.

If you take your Dutch gogles, you might learn something:
https://youtu.be/ER4_6N86M_U
Moving under breaking? He was not punished for that, he moves first and breakes then - no problem
Keeping position off track? He was not punished for that (and why, because Lando pushed him wide and he was so wise to go off track and avoid the collision
Causing a collision - yes he did

But Lando made more errors
Divebombs, oké, they are legal and wer not punished, it just set the way they battled - no problem
Pushing Max off/causing a collision. not punished, as Max went off track to avoid the collision and took his rightful place(as otherwise Lando would have been punished for it)
Going off track, Lando did that a couple of times and was eventually punished for it

So they both made mistakes, both fought harsh and did not control the car enough to give the other enough space. Open your eyes and see that Lando is a bit like Max who likes this harsh battles. It leads to collisions.
This wasn’t a one man cause incident, both took too much risk and wouldn’t give way to the other.
You either don't know what F1 is and are just repeating what you read somewhere else, which I know isn't true or you are so blindsided that you refuse to accept the facts.

The video I shared I Jolyon Palmer's analysis for F1 tv released yesterday with several footage, from different angles including both onboards for each situation of the battle and its clear that
1) Max changes direction under breaking under time which should triggered a warning (moving under breaking is not a penalty right so) but could be penalized after 3 moves, if he was warned before which he should. And he explains hy moving under breaking is dangerous.

The onboard video of Max Verstappen is very clear that he was not pushed off track because he hit the gas way before Norris arrived. He knew that Norris would overtake him, and if follow the normal line he would be overtaken, and not pushed wide-like in previous situation he stayed on track while Norris went wide, so Norris had to give him back the position. No he knew this time he would definitely be overtaken for good, and Norris would leave because McLaren was quick with quicker tyres (mediums vs hards) so he just hit the gas and went wide on purpose without any reason besides cheating.

Not being penalized means he did nothing illegal? Maulybe I ll have to check your 2021 posts about Hamilton. I bet you said "Hamilton didn't get penalized so he didn't anything wrong". I bet I would do.
And we know that all drivers get same treatment like the 20s seconds for Ocon (by the same Johnny Herbert if I m not wrong).

I defended Verstappen a lot on the past when I thought he was right and he will keep doing the same. Same for Hamilton or any other driver. This time Verstappen screwed big time, there is no way from neutral point of view to deny it. Doesn't making lesser driver or human being (btw he is an amazing guy off track). Its just about his actions on this GP. He was wrong. Norris only he can be accused of is to be to anxious. He did nothing wrong in the overtakes attempts, when he failed he gave position back. His dive bombs overtake are just equals to the ones Max did 2019-2021, especially in Abu Dhabi 2021. Did you criticize those divebombs? If its good for the goose...
Just accept and quit behanving like a fanboy because its fun to discuss F1 with you but not when you behave like this and can get enough distance. I know how important he is in Netherlands but he is no God.
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Maybe someone needs to inform Max that the term "wheel to wheel combat" should not be taken literally. :tongue:
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I was going to post about Cavendish new record too!
Impressive! :up:
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He made it look easy. Equalling the record in 2021 was a hell of a story, a late career comeback to win multiple stages some five years after last winning a stage of a Grand Tour. To break the record three years on, aged 39 is incredible. Second oldest stage winner ever, and presumably by far the oldest to win a sprint.
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I think everybody outside was rooting for him. Today was his best chance. What a career. And this was achieved in probably the most mediatic Tour de France so far.
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Firstly, congratulations to the Manx Missile!

Secondly, my wishes for today's UK elections: A comfortable win for Labour. The Tories doing badly but finishing above Reform UK. The UK having closer EU ties and the GBP rising.
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rpo.castro wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 09:42
Ricardo wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 01:40
rpo.castro wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 00:01 @Ricardo Yes, I am one sided, right.
Max didn't 1 thing wrong, nor 2 things but 3: Moving under breaking, keeping position offtrack, forcing a driver offtrack causing a collision.

Lando Norris was divebomb? And so what? Its a legiti move. Its hard, risky but legal and legit contrasting with your fellow countryman.

If you take your Dutch gogles, you might learn something:
https://youtu.be/ER4_6N86M_U
Moving under breaking? He was not punished for that, he moves first and breakes then - no problem
Keeping position off track? He was not punished for that (and why, because Lando pushed him wide and he was so wise to go off track and avoid the collision
Causing a collision - yes he did

But Lando made more errors
Divebombs, oké, they are legal and wer not punished, it just set the way they battled - no problem
Pushing Max off/causing a collision. not punished, as Max went off track to avoid the collision and took his rightful place(as otherwise Lando would have been punished for it)
Going off track, Lando did that a couple of times and was eventually punished for it

So they both made mistakes, both fought harsh and did not control the car enough to give the other enough space. Open your eyes and see that Lando is a bit like Max who likes this harsh battles. It leads to collisions.
This wasn’t a one man cause incident, both took too much risk and wouldn’t give way to the other.
You either don't know what F1 is and are just repeating what you read somewhere else, which I know isn't true or you are so blindsided that you refuse to accept the facts.

The video I shared I Jolyon Palmer's analysis for F1 tv released yesterday with several footage, from different angles including both onboards for each situation of the battle and its clear that
1) Max changes direction under breaking under time which should triggered a warning (moving under breaking is not a penalty right so) but could be penalized after 3 moves, if he was warned before which he should. And he explains hy moving under breaking is dangerous.

The onboard video of Max Verstappen is very clear that he was not pushed off track because he hit the gas way before Norris arrived. He knew that Norris would overtake him, and if follow the normal line he would be overtaken, and not pushed wide-like in previous situation he stayed on track while Norris went wide, so Norris had to give him back the position. No he knew this time he would definitely be overtaken for good, and Norris would leave because McLaren was quick with quicker tyres (mediums vs hards) so he just hit the gas and went wide on purpose without any reason besides cheating.

Not being penalized means he did nothing illegal? Maulybe I ll have to check your 2021 posts about Hamilton. I bet you said "Hamilton didn't get penalized so he didn't anything wrong". I bet I would do.
And we know that all drivers get same treatment like the 20s seconds for Ocon (by the same Johnny Herbert if I m not wrong).

I defended Verstappen a lot on the past when I thought he was right and he will keep doing the same. Same for Hamilton or any other driver. This time Verstappen screwed big time, there is no way from neutral point of view to deny it. Doesn't making lesser driver or human being (btw he is an amazing guy off track). Its just about his actions on this GP. He was wrong. Norris only he can be accused of is to be to anxious. He did nothing wrong in the overtakes attempts, when he failed he gave position back. His dive bombs overtake are just equals to the ones Max did 2019-2021, especially in Abu Dhabi 2021. Did you criticize those divebombs? If its good for the goose...
Just accept and quit behanving like a fanboy because its fun to discuss F1 with you but not when you behave like this and can get enough distance. I know how important he is in Netherlands but he is no God.
Maybe you should read what I post instead of thinking what you expect me to say?
I agree that Max caused the collision, but I think both made it a fierce battle, setting the stage for this collision to happen. It’s not black/white, it’s grey, the whole world is grey.
Besides, they both had medium tyres.the difference was that Lando had new ones. That’s why in the first few laps he could fast get closer to Max, after that it would be not so different until the tyres of Max would wear out.
And Lando has swallowed in all his comments and demand for excuses. It had been fierce battling not one side good, one side bad. Please don’t polarize the fight that’s going on. 2 great drivers battle fiercely with more respect for eachother as Lewis has or others for Lewis.
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Tour de France, 7th stage.

Evenepoel won yesterday the first time trial stage of this Tour de France, Pogacar finished second (+12 seconds), Roglic third (+34 seconds), and Vingegaard fourth (+37 seconds).

So, the top four favorites are now ranked first to fourth in the general ranking, with Pogacar in yellow, Evenepoel second (with a gap of 33 seconds), Vingegaard third (with a gap of 1 minute and 15 seconds), and Roglic fourth (with a gap of 1 minute and 36 seconds).

After an hilly stage today (Saturday), the racers will face tomorrow (Sunday) a very interesting stage with some hills again and with 14 sectors of chemin blanc: https://www.letour.fr/en/stage-9
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1-2-3 England at Silverstone in qualifying.

Mercedes P1 and P2! Norris and Verstappen will start from the second row.

Sainz P7, Leclerc P11...
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I did not think it was possible to see the three Brits qualify 1-3! :o

Luck handed Russell the win on a platter last time. Can he win without the help this time?
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The King of Silverstone goes back on his throne. 8)

Nobody has ever won the same GP 9 times as Hamilton has just done! :mol:
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I've just watched the race. What to say? Mercedes and Red Bull have still the best tacticians, McLaren have to improve a lot. Today they ruined Piastri's race and also Norris' one (though Lando have a part of the blame).

Historical scenes for Lewis Hamilton! The Italian commentator (a big Lewis fan, it's not a secret) was screamimg and almost in tears immediately after the end of the race.

McLaren gain 9 points on Red Bull in the car championship, without Verstappen (and if McLaren didn't screw up the strategy) it would be much more.
In the driver standings Verstappen found a way to increase the advantage over Norris once again.

Ferrari on the way to a 4th place finish in the car championship if they go on like this.

Overall it was a great race to watch, though sadly i already knew the winner (stupid me that i turned a radio on before the race).
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matt wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 21:19 I've just watched the race. What to say? Mercedes and Red Bull have still the best tacticians, McLaren have to improve a lot. Today they ruined Piastri's race and also Norris' one (though Lando have a part of the blame).

Historical scenes for Lewis Hamilton! The Italian commentator (a big Lewis fan, it's not a secret) was screamimg and almost in tears immediately after the end of the race.

McLaren gain 9 points on Red Bull in the car championship, without Verstappen (and if McLaren didn't screw up the strategy) it would be much more.
In the driver standings Verstappen found a way to increase the advantage over Norris once again.

Ferrari on the way to a 4th place finish in the car championship if they go on like this.

Overall it was a great race to watch, though sadly i already knew the winner (stupid me that i turned a radio on before the race).
Is there any audio? Why is he a fan of him anyway? Just likes his style or something else?

I guess it must be a dream come true then for him that Hamilton is coming to Ferrari?

Maybe, just maybe, he can win Silverstone for the tenth time with Ferrari...
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matt wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 21:19 I've just watched the race. What to say? Mercedes and Red Bull have still the best tacticians, McLaren have to improve a lot. Today they ruined Piastri's race and also Norris' one (though Lando have a part of the blame).

Historical scenes for Lewis Hamilton! The Italian commentator (a big Lewis fan, it's not a secret) was screamimg and almost in tears immediately after the end of the race.

McLaren gain 9 points on Red Bull in the car championship, without Verstappen (and if McLaren didn't screw up the strategy) it would be much more.
In the driver standings Verstappen found a way to increase the advantage over Norris once again.

Ferrari on the way to a 4th place finish in the car championship if they go on like this.

Overall it was a great race to watch, though sadly i already knew the winner (stupid me that i turned a radio on before the race).
First I just have to say that I understand you. 19.00 in Portugal, just arrived home when the guy in the radio in his short 2 min news bulletin says that Hamilton won the F1 GP after so much time.
I called his mom some beautiful names.
Didn't enjoy much of the race because of that.

Hamilton was perfect on the race and Max was good too. Norris and Piastri were being awesome when the team just screwed them. Then, I don't know who picked up the softs but I bet on Norris-team leaves a lot to drivers.

And what to say about the call to Leclerc change tyres? He should fire those guys. With a machine gun. Insane.

Hamilton beautiful way to win after so much time (2 years and 7 months ago in Jeddah) and a lot of records beaten today like the only driver to win after his 300th GP or most seasons with GP victories.

For Russell, must be so frustrating retiring when in the fight for the win and watch his main rival win. And he wanted a solid performance after the gift win of past GP.
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