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Lorric wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 15:01 Here's an interesting question. Which medal collection would you rather have?

Netherlands: 15/7/12 - 34
Great Britain: 14/22/29 - 65

I support golds being worth any number of other medals in the table, but would you trade 31 other medals for 1 gold?
I think the answer for smaller countries is yes - a gold is usually remembered more than 5 bronzes, you hear the national anthem in the podium etc.

Greece had more overall medals than Tokyo and Rio, but less golds and way less memorable moments. In niche sports like rowing, judo and wrestling the bronzes get quickly forgotten while the golds stay in memory. From the 6 bronzes only the pole vault bronze of Karalis will remain as a highlight.

Meanwhile everyone will recall when Petrounias and Stefanidi won gold in Rio (rings and pole vault).

Would you exchange England's 2 lost finals in Euros (and 2 more) for 1 won? Most people would.
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Lorric wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 15:01 Here's an interesting question. Which medal collection would you rather have?

Netherlands: 15/7/12 - 34
Great Britain: 14/22/29 - 65

I support golds being worth any number of other medals in the table, but would you trade 31 other medals for 1 gold?
I would say: Gold is worth 5 'points', silver 2, bronze 1.
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anty1975 wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 14:50
Juliusz wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 14:43 Poland with a last-minute silver in women's omnium makes the standard tally of 10 medals.

A disaster in the athletics with just one medal and many disappointments in the finals. Some players were top in qualifying and then couldn't stand it mentally in the finals.

We also counted for a gold by Iga Świątek in tennis on her favorite Roland Garros courts, but she ended up with a bronze.

One of major positive suprises, apart from Daria Pikulik in today's omnium, was Julia Szeremeta - silver in women's boxing 57 kg.
Whats reaction in Poland to silver in volleyball? On one hand, its first medal in many years. On the other hand disappointing final performance against on paper much weaker team...
It's an accurate summary.

Not only a medal in volleyball itself, but also first medal in a team sport in many years (silver in football in 1992). In the final, many players were injured but the team still should have done better.

So there might be mixed feelings, but I think there is more of appreciation for their overall performance than criticism.
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Firnen wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 15:31
Lorric wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 15:01 Here's an interesting question. Which medal collection would you rather have?

Netherlands: 15/7/12 - 34
Great Britain: 14/22/29 - 65

I support golds being worth any number of other medals in the table, but would you trade 31 other medals for 1 gold?
I think the answer for smaller countries is yes - a gold is usually remembered more than 5 bronzes, you hear the national anthem in the podium etc.

Greece had more overall medals than Tokyo and Rio, but less golds and way less memorable moments. In niche sports like rowing, judo and wrestling the bronzes get quickly forgotten while the golds stay in memory. From the 6 bronzes only the pole vault bronze of Karalis will remain as a highlight.

Meanwhile everyone will recall when Petrounias and Stefanidi won gold in Rio (rings and pole vault).
Well said! :applause:

Smaller countries usually don't have the resources or facilities to produce top athletes on every discipline. It's again a rise in the gold medals for Netherlands. 15 golds compared to 10 golds in Tokyo and almost matching the total of Tokyo (34 now to 36 in Tokyo).
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anty1975 wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 15:18 In Rio and Tokyo you had also very good women's swimming team but most of them retired now and for a small country like Denmark its of course hard to replace a star like Pernille Blume...
Yes, only really one swimmer who could compete this year, but she also did better than expected. Helena Rosendahl Bach finished 4th in the women's butterfly. She will actually carry the flag at the finishing ceremony alongside wrestler Turpal Bisultanov. Bach did better than expected, but thought they would have picked one of the medalists. At least the handball team should still be there, so someone like Sandra Toft would have been a more obvious choice, but haven't seen any explanation yet.

And yes, there was really a golden generation of swimming, which has now all retired. Tbh. it's still weird for me to see Pernille Blume mentioned like a star, but I know that's what the results show. But like for so many years, there were three world class swimmers, Lotte Friis, Jeanette Ottesen and Rikke Møller Pedersen, who all won so many medals at World and European championships, including several golds. They never really hit their best at the Olympics, where all other countries brought their best. For most of the time, Blume was like someone few knew. She joined the NT aged 18 in 2016. She was on the medley team, which is where she won all of her medals before 2016. But she was often the weakest link, and individually she wasn't close to anything. Often never even close to reaching the final. In late 2015, she stopped swimming for three months and considering retiring. But she returned to the sport, only just hit the Olympic qualification time in the last second. And then at the Olympics, aged 22 she was suddenly the best in the world with the fastest time in the heats, semi and final. And also pulling the medley to a bronze medal, so both Ottesen and Møller Pedersen finallt got an Olympci medal. And then 4-5 years with a very high top level, but also several injuries and missed tournaments. After the bronze in Tokyo, her career more or less ended quickly. Among other things do to more injuries, she retired in 2022. So a shorter time on top than most of the others big Danish swimmers, but of course by far the biggest single results.

Also rowing is one sport, where Denmark has won medals for decades, but we didn't really have anyone expected to be near anything this year. It's still a sport with a good deal of funding, so would expect some new strong names to emerge soon.
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So the last event ongoing is the women's basketball. US major favourites against hosts France. With the expected win there, the Americans will top the medal table.
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Diouf wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 15:42 Yes, only really one swimmer who could compete this year, but she also did better than expected. Helena Rosendahl Bach finished 4th in the women's butterfly. She will actually carry the flag at the finishing ceremony alongside wrestler Turpal Bisultanov. Bach did better than expected, but thought they would have picked one of the medalists. At least the handball team should still be there, so someone like Sandra Toft would have been a more obvious choice, but haven't seen any explanation yet.

And yes, there was really a golden generation of swimming, which has now all retired. Tbh. it's still weird for me to see Pernille Blume mentioned like a star, but I know that's what the results show. But like for so many years, there were three world class swimmers, Lotte Friis, Jeanette Ottesen and Rikke Møller Pedersen, who all won so many medals at World and European championships, including several golds. They never really hit their best at the Olympics, where all other countries brought their best. For most of the time, Blume was like someone few knew. She joined the NT aged 18 in 2016. She was on the medley team, which is where she won all of her medals before 2016. But she was often the weakest link, and individually she wasn't close to anything. Often never even close to reaching the final. In late 2015, she stopped swimming for three months and considering retiring. But she returned to the sport, only just hit the Olympic qualification time in the last second. And then at the Olympics, aged 22 she was suddenly the best in the world with the fastest time in the heats, semi and final. And also pulling the medley to a bronze medal, so both Ottesen and Møller Pedersen finallt got an Olympci medal. And then 4-5 years with a very high top level, but also several injuries and missed tournaments. After the bronze in Tokyo, her career more or less ended quickly. Among other things do to more injuries, she retired in 2022. So a shorter time on top than most of the others big Danish swimmers, but of course by far the biggest single results.

Also rowing is one sport, where Denmark has won medals for decades, but we didn't really have anyone expected to be near anything this year. It's still a sport with a good deal of funding, so would expect some new strong names to emerge soon.
Blume was a star not only for her results but also cause of her model looks :)
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Mathias Gidsel with the most goals ever in a handball olympic final with 11 goals, the most goals ever at an Olympic tournament with 62 goals. He is now the reigning top scorer of all three major tournaments as he was top scorer at the 2023 World Championships and 2024 European Championships as well. And he basically never shoots a penalty, which is an "easy goal" in handball, which makes it all the more remarkable.
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Men's Events

1. China: 17-10-7 (34)
2. USA: 13-16-23 (52)
3. Japan 12-7-4 (23)
4. France 11-14-13 (38)
5. Uzbekistan 7-1-3 (11)
6. Great Britain 6-15-9 (30)
7. Netherlands 6-2-3 (11)
8. Australia 5-9-6 (20)
9. Korea 5-2-3 (10)
10. Germany 4-5-2 (11)
10. Hungary 4-5-2 (11)
12. Italy 3-9-11 (23)
13. Iran 3-5-2 (10)
14. Georgia 3-3-1 (7)
15. Spain 3-2-7 (12)
16. Canada 3-2-4 (9)
17. Bulgaria 3-0-2 (5)
17. Ireland 3-0-2 (5)
19. New Zealand 2-3-0 (5)
19. Sweden 2-3-0 (5)

Women's Events

1. USA: 26-23-18 (67)
2. China: 19-15-16 (50)
3. Australia: 13-9-8 (30)
4. Netherlands: 8-5-8 (21)
5. New Zealand: 8-4-2 (14)
6. Japan: 8-3-7 (18)
7. Korea: 7-5-5 (17)
8. Italy: 7-4-4 (15)
9. Great Britain: 6-7-15 (28)
10. Canada: 6-5-6 (17)
11. France: 4-11-8 (23)
12. Germany: 3-6-6 (15)
13. Brazil: 3-4-5 (12)
14. Kenya: 3-1-3 (7)
15. Hungary: 2-2-4 (8)
16. Ukraine: 2-2-2 (6)
17. Sweden: 2-1-2 (5)
18. Norway: 2-0-2 (4)
19. Algeria: 2-0-0 (2)
19. Slovenia: 2-0-0 (2)

USA are beatable in male events, but a league of their own in female. Australia, Canada and New Zealand have the same trend - the Anglosphere (but not English) college sports model results?

Netherlands and Italy were far more successful in women while the hosts France in men. Britain was perfectly balanced.
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https://yle.fi/a/74-20104323

Finland fails to win any Olympic medals for first time ever

The Paris Olympic games 2024 end on Sunday and for the first time in modern Olympic history, Finland has failed to pick up a single medal at the games.
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amenina wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 15:58 https://yle.fi/a/74-20104323

Finland fails to win any Olympic medals for first time ever

The Paris Olympic games 2024 end on Sunday and for the first time in modern Olympic history, Finland has failed to pick up a single medal at the games.
Finland had won 305 medals in their previous 26 participations in the Summer Games.

Other nations who average at least 1 medal per each Summer Olympic participation which did not medal in Paris 2024:

Estonia
Latvia
Nigeria
Trinidad and Tobago
Venezuela
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Firnen wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 15:55 USA are beatable in male events, but a league of their own in female. Australia, Canada and New Zealand have the same trend - the Anglosphere (but not English) college sports model results?
Netherlands and Italy were far more successful in women while the hosts France in men. Britain was perfectly balanced.
Its logical cause biggest male sports there like American football are not Olympic sports and so best male athletic talent don't go to Olympics unlike best female
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France with a very good defensive display in the first half and with a little help from refs who allowed rough play made a very interesting women's basketball final. US won 60 matches in a row so its still very unlikely that France will win but at least its close for now.
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amenina wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 15:58 https://yle.fi/a/74-20104323

Finland fails to win any Olympic medals for first time ever

The Paris Olympic games 2024 end on Sunday and for the first time in modern Olympic history, Finland has failed to pick up a single medal at the games.
At least HJK does well in European football!
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amenina wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 15:58 https://yle.fi/a/74-20104323

Finland fails to win any Olympic medals for first time ever

The Paris Olympic games 2024 end on Sunday and for the first time in modern Olympic history, Finland has failed to pick up a single medal at the games.
Guessing a mix of them being mostly a winter sport's nation, and then their historically best summer sport is probably athletics, the place where the competition is the hardest. Maybe they should start rowing more in all the lakes :D A sport where the depth doesn't seem that big.
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