Lorric wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2024 14:44
It would be interesting if there was a medal table by discipline to decide who's best at multiple disciplines. All disciplines would be equal, so for example hockey would be just as valuable as swimming, by using the individual discipline's medal table to calculate who's best. So for those two:
Swimming:
Gold: United States (8/13/7)
Silver: Australia (7/9/3)
Bronze: France (4/1/2) (I loved the "ALLEZ!" on every stroke of a French athlete btw. )
Hockey:
Gold: Netherlands (2/0/0)
Silver: China and Germany (0/1/0)
I like the idea. This could give a better representation of the countries strength across different sports (yet, I wouldn't say the adjusted medal table is better than the original one, just a different view).
The way I would do it is by dividing the medals by the total number of disciplines in each sports and then sum up the medal counts.
For example, there were 37 events in swimming and 2 events in hockey.
So the score in swimming would be
8/37 gold (~0.22), 13/37 silver, and 7/37 bronze for the USA
...
The score in hockey would be
2/2 gold (= 1) for the Netherlands
1/2 silver (=0.5) for Germany
...
"Seine-sational games", eh? That got a disgusted noise from our commentator. Don't think you should be highlighting the Seine with all the issues with it.
Gracenote predicted it almost perfectly. 34 medals and 16 golds became 34 and 15. Although we underperformed by 6 medals in the 1st week and over performed by 6 in the 2nd.
Rowing (4-3-1) was extremely successful. But also about as was expected. Sailing (2-0-2) was a succes, although the biggest gold medal favorites (3 time reigning World champions) only finished 6th. Athletics will bring medals as long as Hassan and Bol are there. Although we're getting more and more depth there as well. A lot of top 8 places. And cycling is always dependable. Track, road, bmx, whatever.
Judo was one of the failures. First time in 40 years we didn't get any medals there. Used to be a steady supplier of 2 or 3 medals. Swimming brought 2 medals in the pool, but the last gold in the pool was in 2012 and it was the first time in 56 years that the women's 4x100m freestyle team didn't even qualify for the final. When we swam well we were crap in athletics. Now it's the other way around.
Highlights: Final 100m by Bol in the 4x400m mixed relay, the walk off 2 pointer for gold in 3x3 basketball, Hassan winning the Marathon, First Men's hockey gold in 24 years.
Lowlights: Puck Pieterse losing a guaranteed silver due to a flat tyre in the final lap in mountainbiking. Heartbreaking. Femke Bol blowing up in the 400m Hurdles. Anti climactic. Women's rowing Quadruple sculls losing gold on the line because of the sequence of strokes. 1 meter before the line. They were ahead. 1 meter behind the line, they were ahead. On the line. They we're not...
Still quite unreal that we leveled up this much since Rio. From a steady top 20 nation winning 15 to 20 medals to a top 10 nation with so much more depth. No idea how long it will last, but it's definitely fun. Yes, we have some "favorite" sports, but most countries do. I'm not apologizing for winning medals on bikes or in/on the water. It's part of our culture and history.
I also enjoyed very much the Olympics (and Euro 2024 before that), maybe also due to the fact that I am going through a great period in my life and everything seems positive!! Hopefully, I'll be in the same mood up to Los Angeles 2028!!
I hope all forum members keep enjoying Summer in a nice place!
While o.y pics are supposed to bring people from different countries together it is closer to the opposite: lots nationalism and setting up against other countries.
I found it weird that that as well at the opening as at the closure the French president of the noc mentioned the French in a nationalistic way. ‘Go French beat the s**t out of all the other nations’ just after peacemaking intention speeches and playing imagine…
It’s a weird sport event.
I am for world peace, but also hope Netherlands does well, I am very welll aware of that
The old glorious Paris was back, at least for two weeks. You couldn't see the problems in the city, only the elegant side of Paris. They did a really good job, apart from small things like the problems in sailing, the open water in the dirty Seine etc. The opening ceremony was absolutely disgusting, but I don't blame France, only the director and the few people who chose this guy.
It might be a good thing that we didn't get one more gold medal (for example Lea Friedrich in the track cycling final against a girl from New Zealand, after a new world record before by her there was a decent chance for gold, but it was silver) for the 8th place, or at least one more silver (basketballer should be able to beat this France, as they did in the group stage) for the 9th place.
Now it's thankfully a bigger topic in the media and the traitors, who waste billions of tax money for bad and destructive things while cutting millions for sports, get some pressure. Top coaches from Germany leave the country because elsewhere they make much more money, the infrastructure is very bad with some exceptions like Magdeburg in swimming. Other countries did a reform and it paid off, so the potential for us would be huge, like in the past. But at least we got two gold medals more than in Tokyo and I had a lot of fun, more than in Tokyo. In team sports I would say we are very good in terms of quantity and quality, even in volleyball we could clearly improve. In team sports the leagues and clubs are responsible for infrastructure, quality, wages etc, that's why the problems aren't there, in contrast to single and smaller sports where financial support would be needed.
I think in most sports there was good sportsmanship among athletes and with the crowd, and there were some exceptions where things were a bit over, especially in football. The help to french athletes was also beyond acceptable.
Athletes in general they have no problems among them, like when the medalists in one sport from china, north korea and south korea took a photo. But when politicians get to the stage they always take benefit of it and weaponize it
This OG looked great, like you said they did a good job covering it up bar from the dirty Seinne.
In LA we can expect a bigger show off, the americans are really good at it. There will be 5 new/returning sports such as cricket (T20) squash, baseball/softball, flag football and lacrosse. And I expect the opening show to be even more bad taste than Paris with the wokeness thing.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... iling-golf I don't agree with everything but definitely Olympics now are too bloated. In my view for the chop should go boxing (corrupt to the core and best athletes not participating), horses, rhythmic gymnastics and artistic swimming (these are not sports at all), football (we all love it but again, best players not participating, not really an Olympic sport), golf (still a game for the rich, many other golf tournaments are more important than Olympics) and Greco-Roman wrestling (freestyle wrestling is a more entertaining version and that should be enough). I would also think about reducing the number of events in rowing, track cycling (sorry UK and Netherlands), shooting and diving, really too many similar events. May be there are too many events also in swimming but swimming is one of two most popular Olympic sports, they will never chop events in swimming.
BurningStorm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:39
The old glorious Paris was back, at least for two weeks. You couldn't see the problems in the city, only the elegant side of Paris. They did a really good job, apart from small things like the problems in sailing, the open water in the dirty Seine etc. The opening ceremony was absolutely disgusting, but I don't blame France, only the director and the few people who chose this guy.
It might be a good thing that we didn't get one more gold medal (for example Lea Friedrich in the track cycling final against a girl from New Zealand, after a new world record before by her there was a decent chance for gold, but it was silver) for the 8th place, or at least one more silver (basketballer should be able to beat this France, as they did in the group stage) for the 9th place.
Now it's thankfully a bigger topic in the media and the traitors, who waste billions of tax money for bad and destructive things while cutting millions for sports, get some pressure. Top coaches from Germany leave the country because elsewhere they make much more money, the infrastructure is very bad with some exceptions like Magdeburg in swimming. Other countries did a reform and it paid off, so the potential for us would be huge, like in the past. But at least we got two gold medals more than in Tokyo and I had a lot of fun, more than in Tokyo. In team sports I would say we are very good in terms of quantity and quality, even in volleyball we could clearly improve. In team sports the leagues and clubs are responsible for infrastructure, quality, wages etc, that's why the problems aren't there, in contrast to single and smaller sports where financial support would be needed.
LA should be spectacular too!
Same thing happened with the Commonwealth Games, Birmingham has a real shithole city reputation, but the Games made it look like a magnificent, beautiful, culture-rich city.
rpo.castro wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 13:29
I think in most sports there was good sportsmanship among athletes and with the crowd, and there were some exceptions where things were a bit over, especially in football. The help to french athletes was also beyond acceptable.
Athletes in general they have no problems among them, like when the medalists in one sport from china, north korea and south korea took a photo. But when politicians get to the stage they always take benefit of it and weaponize it
This OG looked great, like you said they did a good job covering it up bar from the dirty Seinne.
In LA we can expect a bigger show off, the americans are really good at it. There will be 5 new/returning sports such as cricket (T20) squash, baseball/softball, flag football and lacrosse. And I expect the opening show to be even more bad taste than Paris with the wokeness thing.
I'm really glad we never ran up against the French help. Our men's hockey team met France, and it was a surprisingly difficult game, bias refereeing could have swung it. Never saw any other French team.
I think the wokeness could go either way, and a lot may depend on the result of the election. A Trump win and I think it's unlikely to be woke, though I could see it being excessively Americana, Harris wins, the woman who's only where she is because she's a black woman, I'd be surprised if it's not heavily woke. The bit the Americans produced at the end of the closing ceremony I thought was good.
anty1975 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 13:54https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... iling-golf I don't agree with everything but definitely Olympics now are too bloated. In my view for the chop should go boxing (corrupt to the core and best athletes not participating), horses, rhythmic gymnastics and artistic swimming (these are not sports at all), football (we all love it but again, best players not participating, not really an Olympic sport), golf (still a game for the rich, many other golf tournaments are more important than Olympics) and Greco-Roman wrestling (freestyle wrestling is a more entertaining version and that should be enough). I would also think about reducing the number of events in rowing, track cycling (sorry UK and Netherlands), shooting and diving, really too many similar events. May be there are too many events also in swimming but swimming is one of two most popular Olympic sports, they will never chop events in swimming.
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