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abzpablo wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:09 Qarabag three years back are best team I have seen in Aberdeen this millennium - and that includes Bayern, Sociedad, PAOK, Frankfurt and the best the Glasgow sides have offered up.

They remain a complete curiosity given the paltry crowds and low key nature of their domestic league.
They are very rich (owned by an Azeri conglomerate) and recruit quite well.
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vkgz wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:27 UEFA has massacred Rangers
They didn't half, that was horrendous officiating
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It's very likely that there won't be a game in this season's Champions League that will be as entertaining (for the neutrals) as PAOK vs Malmo was. It could have finished 5-5. The Swedes were much sharper in ET, probably a combination of better match fitness and increased morale after the veeeery lucky equaliser.

Slovan finally managing to overcome the 3rd QR, Europa League secured and a decent chance vs Midtjylland, although the Danes will be favorites for that one.

Lille knocking out Mourinho's Fener is a big result, and I believe that Bodo will finally make it.
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thanos_sk wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:39
abzpablo wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:09 Qarabag three years back are best team I have seen in Aberdeen this millennium - and that includes Bayern, Sociedad, PAOK, Frankfurt and the best the Glasgow sides have offered up.

They remain a complete curiosity given the paltry crowds and low key nature of their domestic league.
They are very rich (owned by an Azeri conglomerate) and recruit quite well.
Not very rich I d say, Ludogorets costs 4x more than Qarabag, it is just a good system that brought them to this level, Gurbanov is like Sir Alex Ferguson of Azerbaijan, he built this team from scratches.
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stalker717 wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 00:00
thanos_sk wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:39
abzpablo wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:09 Qarabag three years back are best team I have seen in Aberdeen this millennium - and that includes Bayern, Sociedad, PAOK, Frankfurt and the best the Glasgow sides have offered up.

They remain a complete curiosity given the paltry crowds and low key nature of their domestic league.
They are very rich (owned by an Azeri conglomerate) and recruit quite well.
Not very rich I d say, Ludogorets costs 4x more than Qarabag, it is just a good system that brought them to this level, Gurbanov is like Sir Alex Ferguson of Azerbaijan, he built this team from scratches.
Sir Alex won the Scottish league with Aberdeen and 2 European trophies. Gurbanov isn't even fit enough to lick the man's shoes
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Hoopy wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 00:12
stalker717 wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 00:00
thanos_sk wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:39

They are very rich (owned by an Azeri conglomerate) and recruit quite well.
Not very rich I d say, Ludogorets costs 4x more than Qarabag, it is just a good system that brought them to this level, Gurbanov is like Sir Alex Ferguson of Azerbaijan, he built this team from scratches.
Sir Alex won the Scottish league with Aberdeen and 2 European trophies. Gurbanov isn't even fit enough to lick the man's shoes
Wow calm down mate, I didn't compare them, I just said that he is his analgue in Azerbaijan, cause he is for so long in the team. Not required to turn on defensive mode.
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emortal wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 22:43
Stadion wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 22:13 All over in Thessaloniki. Malmo definitely the better team and well deserved over two matches. PAOK wasn't very impressive imo.
Ridiculous assessment, I hope we meet again in the EL league stage ...
You thought PAOK were the better team over two matches?

I have no doubts that at their peak PAOK is a stronger team than Malmo at their peak (and if they meet in the EL they certainly are favorites especially given that PAOK will be in-season), but I don't think any objective observer would consider this out-of-season PAOK having deserved the win across these two matches. Malmö should have had 3-1 from the first leg (clear handball leading to one of PAOK's goals, and Malmo missing a plethora of big chances) and killed the tie there to be honest. I expected more from PAOK, especially at home in Greece. But they will do well at EL I am sure.
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Hoopy wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:45
vkgz wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:27 UEFA has massacred Rangers
They didn't half, that was horrendous officiating
I was thinking about this, and VAR not being able to intervene on yellows. Maybe you could have a manager's referral, that can be used on yellow cards. VAR agrees, you keep the referral, otherwise, you lose it.
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Lorric wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 00:36
Hoopy wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:45
vkgz wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:27 UEFA has massacred Rangers
They didn't half, that was horrendous officiating
I was thinking about this, and VAR not being able to intervene on yellows. Maybe you could have a manager's referral, that can be used on yellow cards. VAR agrees, you keep the referral, otherwise, you lose it.
Even if they had a system where yellows can only be reviewed if it leads to a red? I agree reviewing yellows is too much but that was just unbelievably bad. Rangers were the better team and lost 5mil tonight on that decision imo.

It was also the fact similar incidents took place in the opposite direction and no cards were shown (pulling back an opponent, late challenge, then in the box yilmaz is actually pushed whilst jumping for a header and no fouls given)
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Hoopy wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 00:39
Lorric wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 00:36
Hoopy wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:45

They didn't half, that was horrendous officiating
I was thinking about this, and VAR not being able to intervene on yellows. Maybe you could have a manager's referral, that can be used on yellow cards. VAR agrees, you keep the referral, otherwise, you lose it.
Even if they had a system where yellows can only be reviewed if it leads to a red? I agree reviewing yellows is too much but that was just unbelievably bad. Rangers were the better team and lost 5mil tonight on that decision imo
I wouldn't review on second yellows when a bad first yellow contributing to a red is just as bad as a bad second. So I like the idea of a manager review.

Could also be a check on bad refereeing if a certain ref keeps getting their yellows overturned on VAR they might get demoted.
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Lorric wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 00:43
Hoopy wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 00:39
Lorric wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 00:36

I was thinking about this, and VAR not being able to intervene on yellows. Maybe you could have a manager's referral, that can be used on yellow cards. VAR agrees, you keep the referral, otherwise, you lose it.
Even if they had a system where yellows can only be reviewed if it leads to a red? I agree reviewing yellows is too much but that was just unbelievably bad. Rangers were the better team and lost 5mil tonight on that decision imo
I wouldn't review on second yellows when a bad first yellow contributing to a red is just as bad as a bad second. So I like the idea of a manager review.
Ye I know what you mean I think the added frustration is the inconsistent refereeing for both sides (I edited my last post to reflect this) he effectively handed my team the league tonight as well imo cause rangers are skint. Cerny looks good for them tho and Barron is doing what Jack was supposed to do before he had injury issues
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thanos_sk wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:39
abzpablo wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 23:09 Qarabag three years back are best team I have seen in Aberdeen this millennium - and that includes Bayern, Sociedad, PAOK, Frankfurt and the best the Glasgow sides have offered up.

They remain a complete curiosity given the paltry crowds and low key nature of their domestic league.
They are very rich (owned by an Azeri conglomerate) and recruit quite well.
They have at least 6 guys that used to play in Portuguese 2nd and 3rd tiers. Maybe good for Azerbaijan but to make this campaigns in EC? They played Braga past season and I wasn't impressed despite the elimination. They basically kick and run. They are fast, but if your defense isn't caught unbalanced (Braga didn't know how to defend) they have no chances.
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I don’t mind the result in Bulgaria tonight. Ludo is nowhere near CL level. They got a win in Q3 and dropped to EL so from ranking pov its perfect. They have a better chance in EL and if they fail ECL again from ranking pov is even better and i think money wise theres no much difference between EL and ECL. Qarabag can have CLPO gl against DZ.
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emortal wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 22:43
Stadion wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 22:13 All over in Thessaloniki. Malmo definitely the better team and well deserved over two matches. PAOK wasn't very impressive imo.
Ridiculous assessment, I hope we meet again in the EL league stage ...
Malmo over two games have had more possession more shots wether off or on target. Of course stats dont always paint the full picture but i think you are a bit more biased/emotional.
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Bulgarian wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 03:28
emortal wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 22:43
Stadion wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 22:13 All over in Thessaloniki. Malmo definitely the better team and well deserved over two matches. PAOK wasn't very impressive imo.
Ridiculous assessment, I hope we meet again in the EL league stage ...
Malmo over two games have had more possession more shots wether off or on target. Of course stats dont always paint the full picture but i think you are a bit more biased/emotional.
Malmo was playing their 20th game of the season.
That's who they are, a team with good possession football that brings a lot of players into the opposing area but shaky defense.

For PAOK this was the 3rd competitive game.
In the first 60' of the Toumba game (until Taison had to be subbed out) the team maybe showed 70% of last season's strength.
And in that spell literally dismantled Malmo's defense.

Visibly, no PAOK player had more than 80' in the tank.
And new transfers Tsalov/Tissoudali have had maybe 2-3 effective training sessions tactically.

PAOK will be a very different team come November, like every Lucescu's season.
Cold, hard, emotionless logic.
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