Talents from you country/or in your league

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Young players in the Greek Superleague

- born after 30/06/02 (U21 at the start of the season)
- all players have the Greek nationality and are eligible for Greek NT. Ndoj also has Albanian nationality.
- selection and ranking based on my subjective opinion

Giannis Konstantelias, OM, 21, PAOK
Konstantinos Koulierakis, CB, 20, PAOK
Konstantinos Tzolakis, GK, 21, Olympiakos
Stefanos Tzimas, CF, 18, PAOK
Alexios Kalogeropoulos, CB, 19, Volos (on loan from Olympiakos)
Andreas Ndoj, CB, 21, Olympiakos

Giannis Konstantelias
Offensive Midfielder, 21, PAOK & Greece (6 caps)
Titles: Greek Cup 2021, Greek Championship 23/24

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Young players in the Italian Serie A

- born after 30/06/02 (U21 at the start of the season)
- based on points won by their teams when they are on the pitch


Final ranking season 2023-24


Matteo RUGGERI - 63 pts - Winner 2024
DML, 21, Atalanta & Italy U21
Career: Atalanta - (Salernitana) - Atalanta (2022)
Title:
- Winner Europa League 2024




Giorgio SCALVINI - 52 pts
DC, 20, Atalanta & Italy (9 caps)
Career: Atalanta (2021)
Title:
- Winner Europa League 2024




Victor KRISTIANSEN - 48 pts
DL, 21, Bologna & Denmark (6 caps)
Career: Copenhagen - Leicester - Bologna (2023, on loan from Leicester)
Title:
- Champion of Denmark 2022




Michael KAYODE
DR, 19, Fiorentina & Italy U19
Career: Fiorentina (2023)
Title:
- (youth) Winner of the Euro U19 2023




Fabio MIRETTI
MC, 20, Juventus & Italy (1 cap)
Career: Juventus (2021)



33 pts - Yunus Musah - MC - 21 - Milan - United States
33 pts - Matias Soulé - AMC - 21 - Frosinone - Argentina
32 pts - Kenan Yildiz - FW - 19 - Juventus - Turkey
30 pts - Samuel Iling-Junior - DML - 20 - Juventus - England
30 pts - Giovanni Fabbian - MC - 21 - Bologna - Italy


Previous winners:
2023 - Rasmus Hojlund (Atalanta)
2022 - Destiny Udogie (Udinese)
2021 - Dejan Kulusevski (Juventus)
2020 - Gianluigi Donnarumma (Milan)
2019 - Gianluigi Donnarumma (Milan)
2018 - Gianluigi Donnarumma (Milan)
2017 - Gianluigi Donnarumma (Milan)
2016 - Alessio Romagnoli (Milan)
2015 - Mateo Kovacic (Inter)
2014 - Paul Pogba (Juventus)
2013 - Stephan El Shaarawy (Milan)

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Young players in the Champions League


players born after the 30.06.2002
based on time spent


Final ranking season 2023-24



Jude BELLINGHAM
AMC, 20, Real Madrid & England (27 caps)
Career: Birmingham - Dortmund - Real Madrid (2023)
Titles:
- Winner of the Champions League 2024
- Champion of Spain 2024
- Winner of the DFB Pokal 2021




Warren ZAIRE-EMERY - 60 pts - Winner 2024
MC, 18, Paris SG & France (2 caps)
Career: Paris SG (2022)
Titles:
- Champion of France 2023 & 2024
- (youth) Winner of the Euro U17 2022




Jamal MUSIALA
AMC, 21, Bayern & Germany (27 caps)
Career: Bayern (2020)
Titles:
- Champion of Germany 2020, 2021, 2022 & 2023




Eduardo CAMAVINGA
MC, 21, Real Madrid & France (15 caps)
Career: Rennes - Real Madrid (2021)
Titles:
- Winner of the Champions League 2022 & 2024
- Champion of Spain 2022 & 2024
- Winner of the Copa del Rey 2023




Johan BAKAYOKO
AMR, 21, PSV & Belgium (10 caps)
Career: PSV (2020)
Titles:
- Champion of the Netherlands 2024
- Winner of the KNVB Beker 2022 & 2023




619 mn - Castello Lukeba - DC - 21 - Leipzig - France
603 mn - Elias Jelert - DR - 20 - Copenhagen - Denmark
596 mn - Xavi Simons - AMC - 20 - Leipzig - Netherlands
577 mn - Lamine Yamal - FWR - 16 - Barcelona - Spain
548 mn - Rico Lewis - DMC - 19 - Man City - England
etc.



Last 10 years winners
2023 - Antonio Silva (Benfica)
2022 - Vinicius Junior (Real Madrid)
2021 - Phil Foden (Manchester City)
2020 - Alphonso Davies (Bayern)
2019 - Matthijs De Ligt (Ajax)
2018 - Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool)
2017 - Thomas Lemar (Monaco)
2016 - Saul Niguez (Atlético)
2015 - Fabinho (Monaco)
2014 - Julian Draxler (Schalke)

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Most promising U21 players as per whoscored (5 top leagues)


Best XI

............................................ M.Beier (Hoffenheim, GER) ......................................
............ Savinho (Girona, BRA) - X.Simons (Leipzig, NED) - L.Yamal (Barcelona, ESP) ............
........................... E.Camavinga (R.Madrid, FRA) - L.Camara (Metz, SEN) ........................
D.Udogie (Tottenham, ITA) - G.Scalvini (Atalanta, ITA) - L.Yoro (Lille, FRA) - T.Santos (Lille, FRA)
............................................. J.Trafford (Burnley, ENG) .........................................


Top 10 most promising players

by nationality: 3 Germans, 2 Spanish, 1 Dutch, 1 English, 1 Brazilian, 1 Argentinian, 1 French
by league: Bundesliga 5 Liga 4 Serie A 1



Xavi SIMONS
AMC, 21, Leipzig & Netherlands (14 caps)
Career: Paris - PSG - (Leipig, on loan from Paris, 2023)
Titles:
- Champion of France 2022
- Champion of the Netherlands 2023
- Winner of the Coupe de France 2021




Jude BELLINGHAM
AMC, 20, Real Madrid & England (27 caps)
Career: Birmingham - Dortmund - Real Madrid (2023)
Titles:
- Champion of Spain 2024
- Winner of the DFB Pokal 2021




Jamal MUSIALA
AMC, 21, Bayern & Germany (27 caps)
Career: Bayern (2020)
Titles:
- Champion of Germany 2020, 2021, 2022 & 2023




Florian WIRTZ
AMC, 21, Leverkusen & Germany (16 caps)
Career: Leverkusen (2020)
Titles:
- Champion of Germany 2024
- (youth) Winner of the Euro U21 2021




SAVINHO
AML, 20, Girona & Brazil (1 cap)
Career: Atletico Mineiro - (PSV) - (Girona, 2023, on loan from Troyes)




Lamine YAMAL
FWR, 16, Barcelona & Spain (6 caps)
Career: Barcelona (2023)
Title:
- Champion of Spain 2023




Nico WILLIAMS
AML, 21, Athletic & Spain (13 caps)
Career: Athletic (2020)
Title:
- Winner of the Copa del Rey 2024




Matias SOULE
AMC, 21, Frosinone & Argentina U23
Career: Juventus - (Frosinone, 2023, on loan from Juventus)




Maximilian BEIER
FW, 21, Hoffenheim & Germany U21
Career: Hoffenheim - (Hanover) - Hoffenheim (2023)




Enzo MILLOT
AMC, 21, Stuttgart & France U17
Career: Monaco - Stuttgart (2021)

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Young players in top European National Teams


Update after the Euro 2024

- U21 players (born in 2003 and later)
- time spent in official games only (Euro, NL)
- only top 8 European teams as per the World-ELO ranking (ESP-FRA-ENG-NED-POR-GER-BEL-CRO)


based on time spent on the pitch (in minutes)

670 mn - Jude Bellingham - AMC - 2003 - Real Madrid - England
504 mn - Lamine Yamal - FWR - 2007 - Barcelona - Spain
455 mn - Xavi Simons - AMC - 2003 - Leipzig - Netherlands
419 mn - Jamal Musiala - AMC - 2003 - Bayern - Germany
369 mn - Kobbie Mainoo - DMC - 2005 - Man United - England
279 mn - Florian Wirtz - AMC - 2003 - Leverkusen - Germany
104 mn - Zeno Debast - DC - 2003 - Anderlecht - Belgium
77 mn - Joao Neves - DMC - 2004 - Benfica - Portugal
73 mn - Antonio Silva - DC - 2003 - Benfica - Portugal
48 mn - Johan Bakayoko - AMR - 2003 - PSV - Belgium

etc.


Previous winners
2023 - Xavi Simons (Netherlands)
2022 - Jude Bellingham (England)
2021 - Ferran Torres (Spain)
2020 - Gianluigi Donnarumma (Italy)
2019 - Matthijs de Ligt (Netherlands)
2018 - Kylian Mbappé (France)
2017 - Denis Zakaria (Switzerland)
2016 - Joshua Kimmich (Germany)
2015 - Memphis Depay (Netherlands)
2014 - Divock Origi (Belgium)

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Young players in top European National Teams


Update after the September games

- U21 players (born in 2003 and later)
- time spent in official games only (Euro, NL)
- only top 8 European teams as per the World-ELO ranking (ESP-FRA-ENG-POR-NED-GER-ITA-BEL)


based on time spent on the pitch (in minutes)

670 mn - Jude Bellingham - AMC - 2003 - Real Madrid - England
639 mn - Lamine Yamal - FWR - 2007 - Barcelona - Spain
618 mn - Xavi Simons - AMC - 2003 - Leipzig - Netherlands
597 mn - Jamal Musiala - AMC - 2003 - Bayern - Germany
459 mn - Florian Wirtz - AMC - 2003 - Leverkusen - Germany
445 mn - Kobbie Mainoo - DMC - 2005 - Man United - England
221 mn - Zeno Debast - DC - 2003 - Sporting CP - Belgium
177 mn - Antonio Silva - DC - 2003 - Benfica - Portugal
145 mn - Joao Neves - DMC - 2004 - Paris - Portugal
120 mn - Rico Lewis - DL - 2004 - Man City - England
etc.


Previous winners
2023 - Xavi Simons (Netherlands)
2022 - Jude Bellingham (England)
2021 - Ferran Torres (Spain)
2020 - Gianluigi Donnarumma (Italy)
2019 - Matthijs de Ligt (Netherlands)
2018 - Kylian Mbappé (France)
2017 - Denis Zakaria (Switzerland)
2016 - Joshua Kimmich (Germany)
2015 - Memphis Depay (Netherlands)
2014 - Divock Origi (Belgium)

[seso]

According to transfermarkt, Fotis Ioannidis (Pana, 25) and Giannis Konstantelias (PAOK, 21) are the most valuable players in the Greek league.

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According to transfermarkt, Fotis Ioannidis (Pana, 25) and Giannis Konstantelias (PAOK, 21) are the most valuable players in the Greek league.

Ioannidis is 24 y.o. (born Jan. 2000).

I never got around the process TM assigns "value".
Levi Garcia spends half the season injured and can't play two games in a week.
If he's worth 15 mln. then Ioannidis should be worth twice that.

Kristoffer Velde hasn't shown jack all at Olympiakos so far, just another entry in the stat sheet.
If he's worth 9 mln. then Konstantelias should be valued above 50!

More to the point of this thread, two former ManU boys have changed to the Greek Superleague this summer!

Facundo Pellistri, 22, RW, Panathinaikos


Shola Shoretire, 20, LW, PAOK


Shola has impressed me, he plays much more mature than his age suggests and is tactically disciplined.
Apparently he's also impressed PAOK coach Lucescu, who started him in a league game already (normally it takes months) and found a spot for him on the list for the EL league phase.

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According to transfermarkt, Fotis Ioannidis (Pana, 25) and Giannis Konstantelias (PAOK, 21) are the most valuable players in the Greek league.

Ioannidis is 24 y.o. (born Jan. 2000).

I never got around the process TM assigns "value".
Levi Garcia spends half the season injured and can't play two games in a week.
If he's worth 15 mln. then Ioannidis should be worth twice that.

Kristoffer Velde hasn't shown jack all at Olympiakos so far, just another entry in the stat sheet.
If he's worth 9 mln. then Konstantelias should be valued above 50!

Good morning! Ioannidis was born on 10 January 2000, so he is almost 25 years old. Yes, the value that transfermarkt gives doen't make much sense, but it's interesting following how it increases/decreases for a player through the seasons.

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Young players in top European National Teams


Update after the October games

- U21 players (born in 2003 and later)
- time spent in official games only (Euro, NL)
- only top 8 European teams as per the World-ELO ranking (ESP-FRA-POR-GER-ENG-NED-ITA-CRO)


based on time spent on the pitch (in minutes)

839 mn - Jude Bellingham - AMC - 2003 - Real Madrid - England
788 mn - Xavi Simons - AMC - 2003 - Leipzig - Netherlands
729 mn - Lamine Yamal - AMR - 2007 - Barcelona - Spain
597 mn - Jamal Musiala - AMC - 2003 - Bayern - Germany
594 mn - Florian Wirtz - AMC - 2003 - Leverkusen - Germany
445 mn - Kobbie Mainoo - DMC - 2005 - Man United - England
267 mn - Antonio Silva - DC - 2003 - Benfica - Portugal
228 mn - Igor Matanovic - FW - 2003 - Frankfurt - Croatia
210 mn - Levi Colwill - DC - 2003 - Chelsea - England
194 mn - Petar Sucic - MC - 2003 - D. Zagreb - Croatia
etc.


Previous winners
2023 - Xavi Simons (Netherlands)
2022 - Jude Bellingham (England)
2021 - Ferran Torres (Spain)
2020 - Gianluigi Donnarumma (Italy)
2019 - Matthijs de Ligt (Netherlands)
2018 - Kylian Mbappé (France)
2017 - Denis Zakaria (Switzerland)
2016 - Joshua Kimmich (Germany)
2015 - Memphis Depay (Netherlands)
2014 - Divock Origi (Belgium)

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Young players in top European National Teams


FINAL RANKING 2024

- U21 players (born in 2003 and later)
- time spent in official games only (Euro, NL)
- only top 8 European teams as per the World-ELO ranking (ESP-FRA-ENG-POR-GER-NED-ITA-CRO)


based on time spent on the pitch (in minutes)

Jude Bellingham - 1019 mn - WINNER 2024
AMC, 2003, Real Madrid & England (40 caps)
Career: Birmingham - Dortmund - Real Madrid (2023)
Titles:
- Winner of the Champions League 2024
- Champion of Spain 2024
- Winner of the DFB Pokal 2021



Xavi Simons - 788 mn
AMC, 2003, Leipzig & Netherlands (24 caps)
Career: Paris SG - PSV - Leipzig (2023, on loan from PSG)
Titles:
- Champion of France 2022
- Winner of the Coupe de France 2021
- Winner of the KNVB Beker 2023



Lamine Yamal - 729 mn
AMR, 2007, Barcelona & Spain (17 caps)
Career: Barcelona (2023)
Titles:
- Winner of the Euro 2024
- Champion of Spain 2023



Jamal Musiala - 684 mn
AMC, 2003 , Bayern & Germany (38 caps)
Career: Bayern (2020)
Titles:
- Champion of Germany 2020, 2021, 2022 & 2023



Florian Wirtz - 681 mn
AMC, 2003, Leverkusen & Germany (27 caps)
Career: Leverkusen (2020)
Titles:
- Champion of Germany 2024
- Winner of the DFB Pokal 2024
- (youth) Winner of the Euro U21 2021



445 mn - Kobbie Mainoo - DMC - 2005 - Man United - England
357 mn - Antonio Silva - DC - 2003 - Benfica - Portugal
338 mn - Martin Baturina - MC - 2003 - D.Zagreb - Croatia
290 mn - Igor Matanovic - FW - 2003 - Frankfurt - Croatia
281 mn - Rico Lewis - DR - 2004 - Man City - England
etc.


Previous winners
2023 - Xavi Simons (Netherlands)
2022 - Jude Bellingham (England)
2021 - Ferran Torres (Spain)
2020 - Gianluigi Donnarumma (Italy)
2019 - Matthijs de Ligt (Netherlands)
2018 - Kylian Mbappé (France)
2017 - Denis Zakaria (Switzerland)
2016 - Joshua Kimmich (Germany)
2015 - Memphis Depay (Netherlands)
2014 - Divock Origi (Belgium)

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Young players in the Greek Superleague

- born after 30/06/02 (U21 at the start of the season)
- all players have the Greek nationality and are eligible for Greek NT. Ndoj also has Albanian nationality.
- selection and ranking based on my subjective opinion

Giannis Konstantelias, OM, 21, PAOK
Konstantinos Koulierakis, CB, 20, PAOK
Konstantinos Tzolakis, GK, 21, Olympiakos
Stefanos Tzimas, CF, 18, PAOK
Alexios Kalogeropoulos, CB, 19, Volos (on loan from Olympiakos)
Andreas Ndoj, CB, 21, Olympiakos

Giannis Konstantelias
Offensive Midfielder, 21, PAOK & Greece (6 caps)
Titles: Greek Cup 2021, Greek Championship 23/24

For all forum members fluent in Greek!
https://www.kathimerini.gr/athletics/56 ... n-18-eton/

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Young players in the Greek Superleague

- born after 30/06/02 (U21 at the start of the season)
- all players have the Greek nationality and are eligible for Greek NT. Ndoj also has Albanian nationality.
- selection and ranking based on my subjective opinion

Giannis Konstantelias, OM, 21, PAOK
Konstantinos Koulierakis, CB, 20, PAOK
Konstantinos Tzolakis, GK, 21, Olympiakos
Stefanos Tzimas, CF, 18, PAOK
Alexios Kalogeropoulos, CB, 19, Volos (on loan from Olympiakos)
Andreas Ndoj, CB, 21, Olympiakos

Quick update on the Greek Superleague talents.

Giannis Konstantelias stayed at PAOK this summer, with the team owner rejecting a €17,5 mln. offer from RB Salzburg.

Konstantinos Koulierakis was transferred to VfL Wolfsburg, where he's already started 15 games.

Konstantinos Tzolakis has become Olympiakos' main keeper.

Stefanos Tzimas is on loan to 1FC Nuernberg (2nd Bundesliga) where he's scored 8 goals already this season in 11 games started.

Alexios Kalogeropoulos still on loan at Volos.

There are a few new young players impressing this season, that will be added to the list:

Olympiakos players Charalampos Kostoulas (CF, 17) and Christos Mouzakitis (CM, 18) have graduated from the U19 team and are starting regularly this season with the first one.

Relaxing the criteria to non-Greek nationals, we can add another couple of players:

Darnell Eric Bile, LW, 19, France, Asteras Tripolis
Bile is the most intriguing young player in the league.
A former France U19 player (!) at the age of 17, he was dismissed by Saint-Étienne as a hopeless case and somehow Asteras has signed him to a contract till 2027 as a free agent.
Coach Makelele subbed him in back in October, despite management telling him explicitly not to, and got subsequently fired.
In that game (vs. Kallithea away) Bile assisted Asteras' 2nd goal in his first 5' of professional football in Greece!

Clayton Diandy, LW/RW, 18, Senegal, Aris
Diandy has reached the U17 WC L16 with Senegal back in 2023, where he was probably scouted by his current (Spanish) manager office.
He's already started 12 games for Aris this season.

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Young players in top European National Teams


Update after the March games

- U21 players (born in 2004 and later)
- time spent in official games only (NL, WC qualifiers)
- only top 8 European teams as per the World-ELO ranking (ESP-FRA-ENG-GER-POR-NED-ITA-CRO)


based on time spent on the pitch (in minutes)

185 mn - Lamine Yamal - AMR - 2007 - Barcelona - ESP
170 mn - Dean Huijsen - DC - 2005 - Bournemouth - ESP
167 mn - Myles Lewis-Skelly - DL - 2006 - Arsenal - ENG
85 mn - Joao Neves - MC - 2004 - Paris - POR
80 mn - Jorrel Hato - DL - 2006 - Ajax - NED
55 mn - Désiré Doué - FWR - 2005 - Paris - FRA
40 mn - Pau Cubarsi - DC - 2007 - Barcelona - ESP
10 mn - Warren Zaïre-Emery - MC - 2006 - Paris - FRA



Previous winners
2024 - Jude Bellingham (England)
2023 - Xavi Simons (Netherlands)
2022 - Jude Bellingham (England)
2021 - Ferran Torres (Spain)
2020 - Gianluigi Donnarumma (Italy)
2019 - Matthijs de Ligt (Netherlands)
2018 - Kylian Mbappé (France)
2017 - Denis Zakaria (Switzerland)
2016 - Joshua Kimmich (Germany)
2015 - Memphis Depay (Netherlands)