Battle for important ranking positions 2024-25

[vkgz]

Is there an automatic seeding program for the 2025-2026 European Cups?

[Fotcalc]

Is there an automatic seeding program for the 2025-2026 European Cups?

Yes, it is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1176900488. It's made by @eye.

[fabiomh]

great battle for the season 2nd place (additional place in UCL 25-26) between Italy and Spain.
They are very close - only 0.1 gap - and both lost one team only at the current stage.
A single goal can make the difference.

[oliverguo]

great battle for the season 2nd place (additional place in UCL 25-26) between Italy and Spain.
They are very close - only 0.1 gap - and both lost one team only at the current stage.
A single goal can make the difference.

I think both of them will snatch the additional UCL place, England will be 3rd.
AV, MU and TOT will probably be eliminated in early stages.

[anty1975]

I think both of them will snatch the additional UCL place, England will be 3rd.
AV, MU and TOT will probably be eliminated in early stages.

Its highly unlikely, England already has a big lead and if you look at bookies odds, Liverpool and Arsenal are favs in the Champions League, Spurs and Man U in Europa and Chelsea odds on even in this early stage (!) favorite in the Conference. I'd say less than 5% chance of that happening

[fabiomh]

great battle for the season 2nd place (additional place in UCL 25-26) between Italy and Spain.
They are very close - only 0.1 gap - and both lost one team only at the current stage.
A single goal can make the difference.

I think both of them will snatch the additional UCL place, England will be 3rd.
AV, MU and TOT will probably be eliminated in early stages.

I don't think so. England is 3.300 pts ahead. It is a huge gap at this stage.
The gap is too huge for one nation, even in case England will have 3 teams eliminated and Italy and Spain none - Consider that at the current stage England has all the 8 teams still in, while Italy and Spain have both 1 teams alreadu out (Bologna and Girona).
I think that England will be 1st with a good margin.
In any case, even if England will not finish 1st, I am pretty sure that it will be not overtaken by both Itay and Spain.

Some calculation (before the 1st leg of KO PO)
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There are 24 teams per competition still "alive".
Points to be distributed per competition (valid for country coeff): 90 = 2*16 (PO) + 2*16 (R16) + 2*8 (Q) + 2*4 (SF) + 2 (F)
Bonus to be distributed : b*(8 + 8 + 4 + 2) = b*22; (UCL: b=1.5 TB=33; UEL: b=1.0 TB=22; COL: b=0.5 TB=11)

Total Points= 90*3=270; Total Bonus=33+22+11=66; TOTAL = 270+66=336
Total teams = 72
Average points per team = 336/72= 4.667
So expected average increase per country:
England = 4.667 * 8 / 8 =4.667
Spain = 4.667 * 6 / 7 = 4.000
Italy = 4.667 * 7 / 8 = 4.084
It's hard to fill a gap of 3.300 pts with so few available points.

The only question is: which country will be 2nd? Italy or Spain?
It depends on how many teams of the two countries will be eliminated on PO KO.
teams playing KO PO :
- Italy (4: 3 in UCL, 1 in UEL): Juve, Milan, Atalanta, Roma;
- Spain (3: 1 in UCL, 1 in UEL, 1 in COL): Real M, Real Sociedad, Betis

[JPV]

great battle for the season 2nd place (additional place in UCL 25-26) between Italy and Spain.
They are very close - only 0.1 gap - and both lost one team only at the current stage.
A single goal can make the difference.

You jinxed it for Atalanta

[vkgz]

Is there an automatic seeding program for the 2025-2026 European Cups?

Yes, it is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1176900488. It's made by @eye.

Thanks

[fabiomh]

great battle for the season 2nd place (additional place in UCL 25-26) between Italy and Spain.
They are very close - only 0.1 gap - and both lost one team only at the current stage.
A single goal can make the difference.

You jinxed it for Atalanta

yeah, the right sentence should have been:
"A single goal or a single wrong ref decision can make the difference"

[matt]

Tomorrow Spain will probably overcome Italy, next week will be important. Milan and Juventus should have extra-motivation to advance, if to advance in Champions League alone isn't motivating enough.

[seso]

It seems that, in the future, France will be 'merged' with the countries that battle for positions 5-8 in UEFA Country Ranking.

[Clockingbell]

It seems that, in the future, France will be 'merged' with the countries that battle for positions 5-8 in UEFA Country Ranking.

Why? I think they were closer to nr 6-8 the last couple of seasons than with the new system. The Netherlands should have had a good season last year to overcome them, now they're assured of 6 European spots every year, just like NA 1-4.

[seso]

It seems that, in the future, France will be 'merged' with the countries that battle for positions 5-8 in UEFA Country Ranking.

Why? I think they were closer to nr 6-8 the last couple of seasons than with the new system. The Netherlands should have had a good season last year to overcome them, now they're assured of 6 European spots every year, just like NA 1-4.

I think that Portugal and Belgium have good chances to overtake France in the next seasons.

[Park]

Three wins for the Netherlands tonight. Battle is over, the Netherlands stay six in ranking

[Ricardo]

It seems that, in the future, France will be 'merged' with the countries that battle for positions 5-8 in UEFA Country Ranking.

Why? I think they were closer to nr 6-8 the last couple of seasons than with the new system. The Netherlands should have had a good season last year to overcome them, now they're assured of 6 European spots every year, just like NA 1-4.

I think that Portugal and Belgium have good chances to overtake France in the next seasons.

Interesting, And you exclude the Netherlands here because
* they already had their chance (this season) and failed miserably?
* they have more CL teams and are therefore more likely to score less points?

I got to admit that France is lower as the top 3. But so is Italy. If I look at how Milan and Juve could be eliminated by Feyenoord and PSV. They also could still qualify, but there is no real ‘better’ team in these 2 confrontations.
Losing the last 2 years of the current 5 year ranking Netherlands and Portugal are still about the same. Belgium is way ahead then, rooting for 6th. But passing France is a big goal.
Tonight showed (3 losses) that Belgium will have a hard time to keep the performance up