Battle for important ranking positions 2024-25

[Firnen]

Almost end of the road for Belgium, they could have only Cercle (!) and maybe Club Brugge too in the draw next Friday.

[Clockingbell]

It seems that, in the future, France will be 'merged' with the countries that battle for positions 5-8 in UEFA Country Ranking.

Why? I think they were closer to nr 6-8 the last couple of seasons than with the new system. The Netherlands should have had a good season last year to overcome them, now they're assured of 6 European spots every year, just like NA 1-4.

I think that Portugal and Belgium have good chances to overtake France in the next seasons.

Maybe, Belgium is quite close in the last 3 years, but France is higher than Belgium this season, is guaranteed another 0,5 for its coefficient and can score more points with runs of PSG, Lyon and maybe Lille. Belgium has probably lost 3 or 4 teams this week and Portugal has tough opponents as well. Next seasons might resemble this one more than last seasons.

[naaba]

Almost end of the road for Belgium, they could have only Cercle (!) and maybe Club Brugge too in the draw next Friday.

It would be nice to have 2 clubs of Brugge still alive.

And Cercle Brugge has a shot at quarter final if they end up against Shamrock Rovers.

Anderlecht and Gent can only blame themselves by losing 3-4 at home to Hoffenheim and not being able to not lose in Larne.

[Agent327]

I will say, the way the format of this cycle is played out is maybe a blessing for the Dutch teams. Although some teams had a difficult league group stage, they can have a more Fu road to survive. Dutch teams, although not always winning have a remarkable treat. They will squander points against (in their eyes and probably everyone else) lower ranked teams, and they will have praise for their performance against higher rated teams. But higher praise but still bowing out isn't the proper way. I do think (in a lesser extend) Belgium teams have the same disease. Portugal teams have just more grit. Simple.

10/20 years ago Turkey and Greece could battle to have a stable position in the top 10. Ukraine, Scotland, Austria should and could be potential top 10 contenders. (In this view I should include Russia, because if their leaders wouldn't do stupid things they still would be a steady top 10 contender)

[babaluj1]

Batlle for Top 15

13. AUT 35.350 1/ 5
14. SCO 34.550 2/ 5
15. DEN 33.356 2/ 4
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16. SUI 33.225 1/ 5
17. POL 32.375 2/ 4

Denmark is hanging dangerously, both clubs are about to be relegated.

[babaluj1]

Batlle for Top 33

31.Ireland 14.968 1/ 4
32. Moldova 14.500 4
33. Iceland 13.520 1/ 4
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34. Bosnia-Herzegovina 12.406 1/ 4

[seso]

Why? I think they were closer to nr 6-8 the last couple of seasons than with the new system. The Netherlands should have had a good season last year to overcome them, now they're assured of 6 European spots every year, just like NA 1-4.

I think that Portugal and Belgium have good chances to overtake France in the next seasons.

Interesting, And you exclude the Netherlands here because
* they already had their chance (this season) and failed miserably?
* they have more CL teams and are therefore more likely to score less points?

I got to admit that France is lower as the top 3. But so is Italy. If I look at how Milan and Juve could be eliminated by Feyenoord and PSV. They also could still qualify, but there is no real ‘better’ team in these 2 confrontations.
Losing the last 2 years of the current 5 year ranking Netherlands and Portugal are still about the same. Belgium is way ahead then, rooting for 6th. But passing France is a big goal.
Tonight showed (3 losses) that Belgium will have a hard time to keep the performance up

It's my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Ricardo]

Oké.
I don’t think Belgium can do that. Portugal could. Netherlands not because they need to collect the points in CL the coming years. Only one way to find out….wait

[seso]

Oké.
I don’t think Belgium can do that. Portugal could. Netherlands not because they need to collect the points in CL the coming years. Only one way to find out….wait

We'll be here in the next 5 years, so we'll see!

[kurt]

France will always be on spot 5.

Read as follow : if you look at a periode of 5-10 years France will be the most on that spot.

Portugal is for me THE number 6 spot.

maybe Netherlands or Belgium will be 6 for 1 or more years, but for a period 5-10 years Portugal will be on spot 6.

Netherlands on spot 7. In average, maybe 6, then 8, then 5, but most of the years spot 7.

Belgium on spot 8.

Then for me on spot 9 Turkey

On spot 10 Greece.

If Russia is back, then Russia in a few years back on spot 6 or 7. Above Netherlands and Belgium. A battle with Portugal.

[vkgz]

France will always be on spot 5.

Read as follow : if you look at a periode of 5-10 years France will be the most on that spot.

Portugal is for me THE number 6 spot.

maybe Netherlands or Belgium will be 6 for 1 or more years, but for a period 5-10 years Portugal will be on spot 6.

Netherlands on spot 7. In average, maybe 6, then 8, then 5, but most of the years spot 7.

Belgium on spot 8.

Then for me on spot 9 Turkey

On spot 10 Greece.

If Russia is back, then Russia in a few years back on spot 6 or 7. Above Netherlands and Belgium. A battle with Portugal.

I think Turks or Greeks can surpass Belgians in 3 years. Conference league is an advantage for them.

[Clockingbell]

France will always be on spot 5.

Read as follow : if you look at a periode of 5-10 years France will be the most on that spot.

Portugal is for me THE number 6 spot.

maybe Netherlands or Belgium will be 6 for 1 or more years, but for a period 5-10 years Portugal will be on spot 6.

Netherlands on spot 7. In average, maybe 6, then 8, then 5, but most of the years spot 7.

Belgium on spot 8.

Then for me on spot 9 Turkey

On spot 10 Greece.

If Russia is back, then Russia in a few years back on spot 6 or 7. Above Netherlands and Belgium. A battle with Portugal.

I think Turks or Greeks can surpass Belgians in 3 years. Conference league is an advantage for them.

Belgians will still have enough ECL spots in the next few years. Turks didn't do well in ECL this year, Greeks could be better if they have consistency. Belgium will be above them would be my guess

[naaba]

I think Turks or Greeks can surpass Belgians in 3 years. Conference league is an advantage for them.

So is Conference League an advantage for Belgium

Belgium currently has 8.950 advance on Turkey for next season start (and 16.183 over Greece).

Belgium has been excellent for 3 seasons in a row.

It would take both a disaster run from Belgium and excellent seasons from Turkey/Greece for them to overpass the land of beers.

Belgium has 3 teams secured for league stage next season, and most of the time manages to avoid smaller clubs playing European Cups, hence doing good results in group stages. And looking at domestic ranking and cup final (Club Brugge - Anderlecht) it seems like they will AGAIN send 5 strong teams in Europe, and most importantly all seeded for an eventual Conference League play-off.

Belgium is safe at the 8th place for this season, and the upcoming one.

And so far the giants of Fenerbahçe, Galatasarary, Panathinaikos and PAOK each brought in less points than the minnow Cercle Brugge.

[Firnen]

Belgium's 5th team is ALWAYS better than Greece's 5th, and often more efficient than 1 of the Greek Big 4.

Turkey next year will have Samsunspor and perhaps Eyupspor in Europe, does anyone think they will outscore Antwerp/Anderlecht/Gent?

[Agent327]

Belgium's 5th team is ALWAYS better than Greece's 5th, and often more efficient than 1 of the Greek Big 4.

Turkey next year will have Samsunspor and perhaps Eyupspor in Europe, does anyone think they will outscore Antwerp/Anderlecht/Gent?

You're right, and more so, if the Netherlands, Portugal and Belgium can avoid 2 disaster years in a 5 time period, I don't see one of them falling below 8th in the near future, probably even consolidating those positions.

Contenders Russia and Ukraine for obvious reasons out of contention.
Other countries don't have the depth in their domestic league looking at clubs. Turkey, Czech Republic and Greece don't have the punch/power to sustain multiple teams making a deep run except if it is in the Conference league.

I have to look up when countries have 5 teams and there points counts is above 10 the last ten years. Probably the most countries will get a lot of points because of the Conference League.
The only country that totally can pull off to be on a high rank is Portugal. They accumulate most of their points with just 4 teams (despite starting with 6) This means their base is solid as a rock, but unfortunately it also means these teams must qualify every year, and the remaining teams in the league are not getting the chance of getting out of this trap of being just fillers. And that made them vulnerable to countries like Belgium and the Dutch.