Overgame wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:23
The new rule when the CLTH and ELTH are not used can lead to a crazy situation. A very unlikely situation, but still possible.
Imagine country 11 (not the actual one)
Team A has a coefficient of 50.000
Team B has a coefficient of 70.000
The highest seed in CL-ch has a coefficient of 55.000
The highest seed in CL-nc has a coefficient of 45.000
Both TH spots are not used:
If team A is champion, team A doesn't get the TH spot
If team B is champion and team A is runner-up, both get the TH spots.
Not true, because the EL-TH spot is open to all teams in qualifying and can also go to a team in the champions path (not just limited to teams in the league path).
There is also the “no leapfrogging rule” which prevents the runners-up getting a spot ahead of the champions.
So let’s say we have:
Team A has a coefficient of 50.000
Team B has a coefficient of 70.000
Team C: The highest seed in CL-ch has a coefficient of 55.000
Team D: The highest seed in CL-nc has a coefficient of 45.000
If team A are champions and team B are runners-up:
Team C gets the CL-TH spot. Team B cannot get the EL-TH spot ahead of team A, so team A gets the EL-TH spot.
If team B are champions and team A are runners-up:
Team B gets the CL-TH spot. Team A gets the EL-TH spot.
In your last if statement, isn't team B (CL-TH spot) and team C (EL-TH spot)?
55.000 > 50.000. Paths do not matter for the EL-TH spot.
Overgame wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:23
The new rule when the CLTH and ELTH are not used can lead to a crazy situation. A very unlikely situation, but still possible.
Imagine country 11 (not the actual one)
Team A has a coefficient of 50.000
Team B has a coefficient of 70.000
The highest seed in CL-ch has a coefficient of 55.000
The highest seed in CL-nc has a coefficient of 45.000
Both TH spots are not used:
If team A is champion, team A doesn't get the TH spot
If team B is champion and team A is runner-up, both get the TH spots.
Not true, because the EL-TH spot is open to all teams in qualifying and can also go to a team in the champions path (not just limited to teams in the league path).
There is also the “no leapfrogging rule” which prevents the runners-up getting a spot ahead of the champions.
So let’s say we have:
Team A has a coefficient of 50.000
Team B has a coefficient of 70.000
Team C: The highest seed in CL-ch has a coefficient of 55.000
Team D: The highest seed in CL-nc has a coefficient of 45.000
If team A are champions and team B are runners-up:
Team C gets the CL-TH spot. Team B cannot get the EL-TH spot ahead of team A, so team A gets the EL-TH spot.
If team B are champions and team A are runners-up:
Team B gets the CL-TH spot. Team C gets the EL-TH spot.
Fixed.
Last edited by amenina on Fri Nov 11, 2022 15:21, edited 1 time in total.
Overgame wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:23
The new rule when the CLTH and ELTH are not used can lead to a crazy situation. A very unlikely situation, but still possible.
Imagine country 11 (not the actual one)
Team A has a coefficient of 50.000
Team B has a coefficient of 70.000
The highest seed in CL-ch has a coefficient of 55.000
The highest seed in CL-nc has a coefficient of 45.000
Both TH spots are not used:
If team A is champion, team A doesn't get the TH spot
If team B is champion and team A is runner-up, both get the TH spots.
Not true, because the EL-TH spot is open to all teams in qualifying and can also go to a team in the champions path (not just limited to teams in the league path).
There is also the “no leapfrogging rule” which prevents the runners-up getting a spot ahead of the champions.
So let’s say we have:
Team A has a coefficient of 50.000
Team B has a coefficient of 70.000
Team C: The highest seed in CL-ch has a coefficient of 55.000
Team D: The highest seed in CL-nc has a coefficient of 45.000
If team A are champions and team B are runners-up:
Team C gets the CL-TH spot. Team B cannot get the EL-TH spot ahead of team A, so team A gets the EL-TH spot.
If team B are champions and team A are runners-up:
Team B gets the CL-TH spot. Team A gets the EL-TH spot.
In your last if statement, isn't team B (CL-TH spot) and team C (EL-TH spot)?
55.000 > 50.000. Paths do not matter for the EL-TH spot.
Yes I made a mistake there. Thanks for pointing out.
so instead of having league format
why not UEFA Explain it EL And ECL with 48 teams and keep UCL with 32 teams or maybe Having EL And ECL with 40 teams
amirbachar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 01:13
Do you believe that the CH of country 15 will be promoted to PO or Q3 if TH is not used?
There is no official info even for the access list and everything we know are just some leaks which might not be true or accurate 100%
According to what is leaked when TH is qualified domestically the spot is given to the club with the highest coefficient from the CH qualifiers. This means that spot might be given to a club that might start at Q2 or Q1 and in such case your question is obviously irrelevant. If the club with the highest coefficient starts at PO most probably they will promote a club from Q2 to PO directly. If they promote clubs to Q3 there will be 7 pairs at Q3 in order to have 10 clubs at PO which will have as result to have one more club at EL POch (7 instead of 6).
This is my opinion based on the leaks we have but still we need to wait for official info. The access list might not be the leaked one, the rule about CH with highest coefficient might not be applied or might applied only for the PO clubs or might also be applied in order to fill other missed spots also.
amirbachar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 01:13
Do you believe that the CH of country 15 will be promoted to PO or Q3 if TH is not used?
There is no official info even for the access list and everything we know are just some leaks which might not be true or accurate 100%
According to what is leaked when TH is qualified domestically the spot is given to the club with the highest coefficient from the CH qualifiers. This means that spot might be given to a club that might start at Q2 or Q1 and in such case your question is obviously irrelevant. If the club with the highest coefficient starts at PO most probably they will promote a club from Q2 to PO directly. If they promote clubs to Q3 there will be 7 pairs at Q3 in order to have 10 clubs at PO which will have as result to have one more club at EL POch (7 instead of 6).
This is my opinion based on the leaks we have but still we need to wait for official info. The access list might not be the leaked one, the rule about CH with highest coefficient might not be applied or might applied only for the PO clubs or might also be applied in order to fill other missed spots also.
maybe end of this season or next season they will annoucment
amirbachar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 01:13
Do you believe that the CH of country 15 will be promoted to PO or Q3 if TH is not used?
There is no official info even for the access list and everything we know are just some leaks which might not be true or accurate 100%
According to what is leaked when TH is qualified domestically the spot is given to the club with the highest coefficient from the CH qualifiers. This means that spot might be given to a club that might start at Q2 or Q1 and in such case your question is obviously irrelevant. If the club with the highest coefficient starts at PO most probably they will promote a club from Q2 to PO directly. If they promote clubs to Q3 there will be 7 pairs at Q3 in order to have 10 clubs at PO which will have as result to have one more club at EL POch (7 instead of 6).
This is my opinion based on the leaks we have but still we need to wait for official info. The access list might not be the leaked one, the rule about CH with highest coefficient might not be applied or might applied only for the PO clubs or might also be applied in order to fill other missed spots also.
amirbachar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 01:13
Do you believe that the CH of country 15 will be promoted to PO or Q3 if TH is not used?
There is no official info even for the access list and everything we know are just some leaks which might not be true or accurate 100%
According to what is leaked when TH is qualified domestically the spot is given to the club with the highest coefficient from the CH qualifiers. This means that spot might be given to a club that might start at Q2 or Q1 and in such case your question is obviously irrelevant. If the club with the highest coefficient starts at PO most probably they will promote a club from Q2 to PO directly. If they promote clubs to Q3 there will be 7 pairs at Q3 in order to have 10 clubs at PO which will have as result to have one more club at EL POch (7 instead of 6).
This is my opinion based on the leaks we have but still we need to wait for official info. The access list might not be the leaked one, the rule about CH with highest coefficient might not be applied or might applied only for the PO clubs or might also be applied in order to fill other missed spots also.
maybe end of this season or next season they will annoucment
UEFA should have already announced the details for the new format of competitions. The qualifiers for these competitions (domestic leagues and cups) are starting in few days and the clubs should have known in advanced the new rules. I really don't understand why UEFA has not given all the details for new format yet
