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Dragonite wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:56 @Michael S Collins , is that a riddle? :grin1:

The "talented young forward", Doak I suppose (correct me if I'm wrong), isn't that important, otherwise he would have been used in the qualifiers.

The Bologna midfielder, Lewis Ferguson, played the qualifiers, but not that much and only as a used sub. He would be a starter now? Instead of who?

The first choice right back was Hickey like I said, if you mean Patterson that's the reserve right back.

The main goalkeeper, Gordon? He didn't play a single minute in the qualifiers, it was Gunn in the first six matches and Clark in the last two.

@Lorric , Souttar is like the 6th or 7th choice central defender in a team that plays with 3.

Michael S Collins wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:31Qualifying is far better than not.
Not qualifying for a Euro where there's room for nearly half of UEFA's members is a humiliation. :wink:
One of Scotlands issues is that even some of the players that have been selected have had huge injury issues recently or hardly played any games so although they are "fit" they aren't necessarily at their peak and considering we aren't the best they kinda need to be at their peak fitness. Also Porteous has been a thug his whole career, everyone thought he had grown up but obviously not so that didn't help either.

During qualifying those players stayed fit and were all available so you can see the drop in level with that being considered
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dandeer wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 13:08 I seriously think Uefa should go back to 16 teams but that would be bad for business, good for football. The latter they never cared about, unfo.
Wait for the 48 team world cup. Something like 5-1 or even more no contest will be an every day result during group stage.
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First 4 matches of the tournament ended with a win for favorites. It is about time for some upset. I am a bit biased here, but hope for an upset in Poland - Netherlands match. Why Poland has a chance to avoid a defeat vs Netherlands? I don't have a single argument.
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BurningStorm wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 00:57 Poland - Netherlands in Hamburg
The Dutch team looked decent recently, Poland have to play without Lewandowski. He is a specialist of getting injured in useless games before big events, I remember his injury against Andorra right before Bayern - PSG (Bayern went out despite high xG rates and only because of the old away game rule). It would be smarter to rest him in friendlies before a WC or EURO. 1-3.
"Big events"?!

He was unavailabe for a CL quarter final once, four years ago, and you call it "big events".

He played EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY GAME for Poland at all the big events that Poland participated during the last 12 years - Euro 2012, Euro 2016, 2018 World Cup, Euro 2020 and 2022 World Cup.

Today we'll finally have the chance to watch Poland in a big event without him!
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Greyn wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 07:14 First 4 matches of the tournament ended with a win for favorites. It is about time for some upset. I am a bit biased here, but hope for an upset in Poland - Netherlands match. Why Poland has a chance to avoid a defeat vs Netherlands? I don't have a single argument.
Here's an argument for you. In the last three Euros (2012+2016+2020) Netherlands has more defeats than wins (3-0-4). They also have worse results than Poland (2-6-3). :wink:
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Dragonite wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:24
Greyn wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 07:14 First 4 matches of the tournament ended with a win for favorites. It is about time for some upset. I am a bit biased here, but hope for an upset in Poland - Netherlands match. Why Poland has a chance to avoid a defeat vs Netherlands? I don't have a single argument.
Here's an argument for you. In the last three Euros (2012+2016+2020) Netherlands has more defeats than wins (3-0-4). They also have worse results than Poland (2-6-3). :wink:
Netherlands were is a crisis for a few years when they did not qualify for EURO 2016 and WC 2018. They had to build a new team with a new generation of players after Robben, van Persie and so on retired. They improved significantly, while I can't say the same about Poland. All football arguments make Netherlands a clear favorite for this match, particularly with Lewandowski injured.

On the other hand, Poland like to surprise when everyone cross them out before the match. I saw here some people predicting that Poland will finish with 0 points in this group. Last time Poland finished a big tournament without a single win or a draw was in the WC 1938. Poland played 1 single match there vs Brazil and lost 5-6 AET. After that Poland played 12 big tournaments (WC or EURO) and never finished with 0 points. I believe Poland will not end up with 0 points this time as well.
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Dragonite wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:16
BurningStorm wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 00:57 Poland - Netherlands in Hamburg
The Dutch team looked decent recently, Poland have to play without Lewandowski. He is a specialist of getting injured in useless games before big events, I remember his injury against Andorra right before Bayern - PSG (Bayern went out despite high xG rates and only because of the old away game rule). It would be smarter to rest him in friendlies before a WC or EURO. 1-3.
"Big events"?!

He was unavailabe for a CL quarter final once, four years ago, and you call it "big events".

He played EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY GAME for Poland at all the big events that Poland participated during the last 12 years - Euro 2012, Euro 2016, 2018 World Cup, Euro 2020 and 2022 World Cup.

Today we'll finally have the chance to watch Poland in a big event without him!
Not once in a CL quarter final. Twice. :) In the 16/17 season he also missed the first leg against Real. In the 2nd leg he played, but wasn't fully fit. At least this time it was not an unimportant game where he got injured, it was against Dortmund. But the game was already decided when it happened (4-1). With the Poland stat you are right of course.

In such a tournament we want to see the best players, so I hope he is available in the 2nd and 3rd group game.
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Greyn wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:02
Dragonite wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:24
Greyn wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 07:14 First 4 matches of the tournament ended with a win for favorites. It is about time for some upset. I am a bit biased here, but hope for an upset in Poland - Netherlands match. Why Poland has a chance to avoid a defeat vs Netherlands? I don't have a single argument.
Here's an argument for you. In the last three Euros (2012+2016+2020) Netherlands has more defeats than wins (3-0-4). They also have worse results than Poland (2-6-3). :wink:
Netherlands were is a crisis for a few years when they did not qualify for EURO 2016 and WC 2018. They had to build a new team with a new generation of players after Robben, van Persie and so on retired. They improved significantly, while I can't say the same about Poland. All football arguments make Netherlands a clear favorite for this match, particularly with Lewandowski injured.

On the other hand, Poland like to surprise when everyone cross them out before the match. I saw here some people predicting that Poland will finish with 0 points in this group. Last time Poland finished a big tournament without a single win or a draw was in the WC 1938. Poland played 1 single match there vs Brazil and lost 5-6 AET. After that Poland played 12 big tournaments (WC or EURO) and never finished with 0 points. I believe Poland will not end up with 0 points this time as well.
I expect Netherlands to win today. You were asking for an argument of why Poland won't lose today and I gave you one. :wink:

And I don't expect Poland to finish last placed here with three defeats.

And Lewandowski's absence isn't important, I think that other strikers, like Swiderski or Piatek, if they have the same opportunities, will score as many or more goals than Lewandowski.

Lewandowski would be an easy prey for Netherlands' trio of central defenders, a faster and more mobile player instead can be a better choice.
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Dragonite wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:18
I expect Netherlands to win today. You were asking for an argument of why Poland won't lose today and I gave you one. :wink:

And I don't expect Poland to finish last placed here with three defeats.

And Lewandowski's absence isn't important, I think that other strikers, like Swiderski or Piatek, if they have the same opportunities, will score as many or more goals than Lewandowski.

Lewandowski would be an easy prey for Netherlands' trio of central defenders, a faster and more mobile player instead can be a better choice.
As far as I know there is a clear hierarchy in Poland as for strikers - 1. Lewandowski, 2. Świderski, 3. Buksa, 4. Piątek. Not a big chance that we will see Piątek in any match. I am not a big fan of his talent, so no reason to worry for me.

I have to disagree with you regarding Lewandowski. He is obviously our best player. Dutch defenders would have to pay a lot of attention to him, making more options for our other players. Lewandowski can also keep the ball after a clearance by the defenders and hold the ball or be fouled by the opponents. He is also capable to make a powerful shot from long distance or make precise last pass to other Polish player. Best Polish penalty taker. Finally, without any doubt, he is best Polish players in terms of technical skills.
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Greyn wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:37
Dragonite wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:18
I expect Netherlands to win today. You were asking for an argument of why Poland won't lose today and I gave you one. :wink:

And I don't expect Poland to finish last placed here with three defeats.

And Lewandowski's absence isn't important, I think that other strikers, like Swiderski or Piatek, if they have the same opportunities, will score as many or more goals than Lewandowski.

Lewandowski would be an easy prey for Netherlands' trio of central defenders, a faster and more mobile player instead can be a better choice.
As far as I know there is a clear hierarchy in Poland as for strikers - 1. Lewandowski, 2. Świderski, 3. Buksa, 4. Piątek. Not a big chance that we will see Piątek in any match. I am not a big fan of his talent, so no reason to worry for me.

I have to disagree with you regarding Lewandowski. He is obviously our best player. Dutch defenders would have to pay a lot of attention to him, making more options for our other players. Lewandowski can also keep the ball after a clearance by the defenders and hold the ball or be fouled by the opponents. He is also capable to make a powerful shot from long distance or make precise last pass to other Polish player. Best Polish penalty taker. Finally, without any doubt, he is best Polish players in terms of technical skills.
"Obviously"?

He scored ONE goal in a 1-6 defeat against Belgium. That was his "contribution" in Poland's road to Euro 2024.

In the single match that he didn't play, Poland actually got a 2-2 draw away in Netherlands.

I insist, ANY OTHER PLAYER with the same opportunities (the chance to play 639' in 7 matches against Wales x3, Belgium x2, Netherlands and Estonia) would do better. 1 goal in a 1-6 defeat is meaningless, 1-6 or 0-6 is exactly the same.


So, here you have another thing to be hopeful, although you're reluctant to accept it. Poland faced Netherlands twice recently, once without Lewandowski and they didn't lose, and once with Lewandowski and they lost.
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Lewandowski has a completely different role in the NT and in the club. Particularly in Bayern he was surrounded by world class players, opponents had to pay attention to all offensive Bayern players, not to Lewandowski only. When he plays for Poland he is covered by 1-2 opponents, usually being the only Polish player up front. Not much he can do in such circumstances. He is not Messi at his prime time to dribble 3-4 opponents and score after an individual action. Lewandowski is best in finishing actions, it is not his fault that his colleagues from the NT create very little and he don't receive enough number of last/key passes/crosses.
So, here you have another thing to be hopeful, although you're reluctant to accept it. Poland faced Netherlands twice recently, once without Lewandowski and they didn't lose, and once with Lewandowski and they lost.
I hope you are not serious with this. You can't make such conclusions basing on 2 matches.
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I watched both Spain - Croatia and Italy - Albania matches yesterday: interesting group so far.
offside wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 16:19I like the odds of Spain the best: I think the squad is balanced and strong, it could be the unexpected horse of this competition, and compared to England or France which pay 4.5 or 5, the odds of 9 seems quite good to me.
Spain confirmed what I was expecting: it has the quality to be considered one of the top favorites to win the tournament. Congrats!
If La Roja menages to defeat Italy too in the next match, the first place of the group is already clinched (I doubt that Albania will make 6 points).

Italy managed to win a game that after 24 seconds was already uphill, and there is some merit in that I guess.
Job done so far, but the real test is against Spain in the next match.

Croatia and Albania started with a loss, and will face eachother in the next game, which is already kind of an in or out match.
It is a great chance for Albania, but I suppose that Croatia will have a reaction after the heavy loss to Spain.

I'm looking forwards for the next round! :grin1:
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Diouf wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 23:11 Denmark have tried some different formations in the past year, but it seems very likely that it will be a 3-man central defense in the game against Slovenia. In the past two friendlies against Sweden and Norway, it was 3-5-2 and 3-4-3 respectively. I think the formation in the opening match will be the former rather than the latter.
Schmeichel will start in goal and Vestergaard, Christensen and Andersen will make up the central defence. Mæhle has been a big profil for the past years for Denmark and I still think he will start, but his spot is probably the least certain it has been since he entered the starting line-up. Victor Kristiansen has done very well on the left, and Alexander Bah is good on the right as well. Think it will be Kristiansen as left wing back and Mæhle as right wing back, but the difference between the three isn't massive.
Eriksen and Højbjerg will certainly start in central midfield. The last spot is quite open between several players, but I actually think Morten Hjulmand will start. He has impressed a lot when playing in all friendlies in 2024. The other midfielders are probably all in play as well. Delaney would be the experienced choice, and has played with the other two for years in there. Nørgaard and Jensen are also liked a lot by Hjulmand, but neither has really impressed for Denmark.
Højlund will of course start up front, and I think he will by partnered by Wind. It works quite well with Wind coming deep and being a great flick-on player and then with Højlund on some lethal runs in behind.
Hjulmand does get the start. Mæhle is benched. For the first time since he entered the national team with storm back in late 2020, he is no longer first choice. It's Kristiansen and Bah instead on the wing backs. Everything else as expected
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EUROs are always better than WCs, even with 24 teams
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So far, all the teams favorite to win the competition won their opening match: Germany, Spain, Italy, England, and Netherlands.
It is now France (Monday), Portugal (Monday) and Belgium (Tuesday) turn to play.
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