Russia would get 4.333 Points for 2022-23!

[Forza AZ]

Let's say Donetsk will be claimed by Russia, and so Shakthar will be Russian. How about the points Shakthar get in the 5years counting for the ranking. Can Russia get more than the 4.3333 points? And will Ukraine lose points because of that? Or historically those points stay with Ukraine

The points have been collected for Ukraine, so they will stay there. The only question would be if Shakhtar would take their club coefficient with them if they would start to play for another country. But I think that is unlikely to happen since they already play their home matches for 8 years in other cities, so why change that now while the situation in the city of Donetsk hasn't really changed.
More likely would be that the Russians will found a new club in Donetsk.

[Park]

Ukraine already abandoned its league and cup and indicated to UEFA who will qualify for each of the three competitions. However, I have a feeling Ukrainian clubs will not be playing in Europe or domestically for possibly a year or two.

I have a feeling Ukrainian clubs will be playing in Europe. If necessary they can play abroad.
Whether they can also play the domestic league will be more difficult. The top clubs will be able to play abroad, but for other clubs with less money it will be more difficult.

[martinjt]

Not a bad deal. England got zero points for 5 years in the 1980s because of Liverpool fans causing trouble.

[Todor]

Not a bad deal. England got zero points for 5 years in the 1980s because of Liverpool fans causing trouble.

Heysel was the last drop that overflow the glass. English fans had already been causing troubles for some time.

[SteffenM]

Do you know any reason for Belarus, not to be included in this ban?

[Firnen]

Do you know any reason for Belarus, not to be included in this ban?

Nobody knows, and it's a strange decision, because the federations who kicked Russia out have also kicked out belarus (IAAF in athletics, FIBA in basketball, FIVB in volleyball, FINA in swimming and water polo).

[Lorric]

Belarus are very lucky indeed that they didn't get the same treatment as Russia. As bad as this season has been, they've already doubled the 0.250 they got last season.

[AnelZ]

While Belarus is barely holding their head above water, Kazakhstan is also walking on thin ice considering how they are balancing their ties with Russia, especially as it is only because of Russia i.e. CSTO that the riots at the start of the year got subdued.

[OMER87]

Still don't understnd why Russia is getting 4.333 and not ZERO. Belarusian don't get points from ahead and Ukraine for sure that is most suffering won't get to 4.333 probably. another disgrace by UEFA MAFIA

[anty1975]

Still don't understnd why Russia is getting 4.333 and not ZERO. Belarusian don't get points from ahead and Ukraine for sure that is most suffering won't get to 4.333 probably. another disgrace by UEFA MAFIA

Its really not the most important issue. Russia will be banned as long as Putin stays in power and unfortunately his grip on power remains very strong.

[air]

Reading this topic I am all the time confused which rule is the best to follow. Ban all politics from football, allow all politics in football?
If we ban all politics from football, then what the hell is "UEFA values"? Aren't they politically determinated by any chance?:D If we ban all politics from football, then why is Russia banned - but okay, let's suppose that attacking a souvereign country might be enough reason for that -, then what is to do with Putin being in power? UEFA will decide if the Russian election is democratic or not?
If we allow all politics in football, then why to remove banners and giving penalties on matches?

[Firnen]

Russia should have 0 points, but in the end it won't matter because they're not returning next year.

[OlliWender]

Uefa has no choice either way. As long as the EU sanctions Russia, no team from the Big Five Nations won't want/be allowed to play against them and Uefa knows they can't make any controversial political decisions against the Unions will.
Uefa is relying on the EU's mercy to keep up their more or less monopoly in the first place.

[air]

Uefa has no choice either way. As long as the EU sanctions Russia, no team from the Big Five Nations won't want/be allowed to play against them and Uefa knows they can't make any controversial political decisions against the Unions will.
Uefa is relying on the EU's mercy to keep up their more or less monopoly in the first place.

We agree that the system is rotten way more deeper, UEFA is just a body with not much moving area. IMO the European Union should get back to an economic alliance from where it started, and stop acting like the morally right guy on world conflicts, but I know that direct political discussions should take place in some other forum topic, no worries Eddie.

[SteffenM]

Reading this topic I am all the time confused which rule is the best to follow. Ban all politics from football, allow all politics in football?
If we ban all politics from football, then what the hell is "UEFA values"? Aren't they politically determinated by any chance?:D If we ban all politics from football, then why is Russia banned - but okay, let's suppose that attacking a souvereign country might be enough reason for that -, then what is to do with Putin being in power? UEFA will decide if the Russian election is democratic or not?
If we allow all politics in football, then why to remove banners and giving penalties on matches?

So this is of course a difficult topic, which could and will go on for a long time.
Anti-racism is fair game. Sometimes kneeling.
LBTG rights are sometimes fair game, unless it is in Russia or Hungary etc.

And can you ban politics, when it is everywhere?
PSG, Man. City, Newcastle, Qatar, Russia, China etc.

So I would argue when it's not about politics, but about human rigts, UEFA should step in.
And the fight against racism, for LBTG and for any sovereign state and the right to live free, the right to live, the right to freedom of speech.

This are human rights, not politics.