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mspm89 wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 20:15 Howay the lads! :D

A question for guys like Oldelpaso, Lorric, etc. who hail from England and know what they're talking about:

A decade ago, when there was talk that the Venkys could boost Blackburn to new heights only to relegate them within a couple of years, I heard a few opinions that can be summarized like this: having owners with supposedly bottomless pockets is not everything for teams like City or Chelsea, they need good local rivals too (one has Man U and the other has Arsenal, Spurs and you can count Fulham and a few others in for the "local derby factor").

What do you guys think about this factor, could it be significant? Because if that's the case, we need the Mackems back up and do better than they have for who knows how many decades. :lol:
To come back to this, in a word, no. Venkys problem was incompetence. They effectively let an agent run the show, and hired a rookie manager in Steve Kean who while respected as an assistant, was never cut out to be a manager. Blackburn had already been moneyed title winners. Their 1995 title came of the back of being bankrolled by Jack Walker. £3.6 million for Shearer and £5 million for Sutton might not seem much now but were vast sums then.

Chelsea are a weird one for rivalries. Any Arsenal fan would call Spurs their main rivals. Fulham and QPR would like to think of Chelsea as their rivals but Chelsea fans would regard that as beneath them due to the long spells of being in different divisions. London rivalries can be a bit of a web like that, several that mean more to one set of fans than the other.
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Oldelpaso wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 21:00
To come back to this, in a word, no. Venkys problem was incompetence. They effectively let an agent run the show, and hired a rookie manager in Steve Kean who while respected as an assistant, was never cut out to be a manager. Blackburn had already been moneyed title winners. Their 1995 title came of the back of being bankrolled by Jack Walker. £3.6 million for Shearer and £5 million for Sutton might not seem much now but were vast sums then.

Chelsea are a weird one for rivalries. Any Arsenal fan would call Spurs their main rivals. Fulham and QPR would like to think of Chelsea as their rivals but Chelsea fans would regard that as beneath them due to the long spells of being in different divisions. London rivalries can be a bit of a web like that, several that mean more to one set of fans than the other.
Too bad Al Fayed wasn't even more of a billionaire, to take Fulham to the next level. I think it has all what's needed to become a top club with a Newcastle-like takeover.

Never mind the lateness, thanks for the response!
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mspm89 wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 19:54
Oldelpaso wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 21:00
To come back to this, in a word, no. Venkys problem was incompetence. They effectively let an agent run the show, and hired a rookie manager in Steve Kean who while respected as an assistant, was never cut out to be a manager. Blackburn had already been moneyed title winners. Their 1995 title came of the back of being bankrolled by Jack Walker. £3.6 million for Shearer and £5 million for Sutton might not seem much now but were vast sums then.

Chelsea are a weird one for rivalries. Any Arsenal fan would call Spurs their main rivals. Fulham and QPR would like to think of Chelsea as their rivals but Chelsea fans would regard that as beneath them due to the long spells of being in different divisions. London rivalries can be a bit of a web like that, several that mean more to one set of fans than the other.
Too bad Al Fayed wasn't even more of a billionaire, to take Fulham to the next level. I think it has all what's needed to become a top club with a Newcastle-like takeover.

Never mind the lateness, thanks for the response!
Fulham was always a trophy asset for Al-Fayed, just like Harrods. He had no real passion for football. Fulham have never had a particularly large fanbase, crowds were below 10,000 before Al-Fayed pitched up. Add to this the difficulties of redeveloping Craven Cottage on its small parcel of land right by the river, and there's a ceiling to their growth potential (good luck finding a place for a new stadium in some of the most expensive real estate in the world). Nothing against Fulham btw, its perhaps my favourite London away.

FFP may be pretty toothless, but for your multibillionaire or sovereign wealth fund it is a lot easier if they can at least claim to be making moves towards break even, something for the lawyers to get their teeth into. The choices of City, Chelsea and Newcastle as clubs to buy were not accidental. All had significant untapped potential, a fanbase in the top 10 size wise, and a decent sized ground (Stamford Bridge may be only 42k but at the time Abramovich took over it was London's biggest club ground). All in metropolitan areas with a big catchment - Newcastle is a smaller city but a one club one, and the nearest other top flight club with Sunderland currently out of the picture is all the way over in Leeds. To take the Blackburn example, its a town rather than a city, not exactly a tourist destination. The area has a long and proud football history (only City and Liverpool can claim a longer timespan between first and most recent trophy) but the area is crowded with sides of historical importance (Preston, Burnley, Blackpool), you could only grow the fanbase so far.

Before City were taken over there was a shortlist of clubs ADUG considered. Newcastle was one. So was Everton. What counted against Everton, similar in other respects, was the likely need for a new stadium. The obvious remaining candidate would be Aston Villa.
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Ranking every Premier League club by their wage bill: Arsenal 6th…

1. Manchester United – £222,984,000

2. Chelsea – £169,720,000

3. Manchester City – £163,060,000

4. Liverpool – £141,782,000

5. Tottenham – £101,344,000

6. Arsenal – £85,490,000

7. Leicester City – 78,780,000

8. Aston Villa – £75,232,000

9. West Ham – £70,160,000

10. Newcastle United – £62,610,000

11. Crystal Palace – £59,180,000

12. Everton – £43,120,000

13. Wolves – £38,310,000

14. Fulham – £37,610,000

15. Southampton – £35,380,000

16. Bournemouth – £32,044,000

17. Nottingham Forest – £28,590,000

18. Brighton – £28,340,000

19. Leeds United – £17,300,000

20. Brentford – £15,240,000

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bugylibicska wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 09:29 Ranking every Premier League club by their wage bill: Arsenal 6th…

1. Manchester United – £222,984,000

2. Chelsea – £169,720,000

3. Manchester City – £163,060,000

4. Liverpool – £141,782,000

5. Tottenham – £101,344,000

6. Arsenal – £85,490,000
Big difference between ManU and the other big clubs... It doesn't show on the pitch!
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Guardiola should be happy WC has arrived.
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Newcastle took the lead after 70 minutes, a big goal by Willock. Nobody can stop the Magpies' train!
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Newcastle; Chelsea 1:0, and 3rd place cemented!
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Wolves go to the break dead last, playing atrocious football week after week.
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Arsenal with a 5pt lead. How are they up there? It's Pep's assistant managing the team and a City reject is their best player and City replaced said reject with a huge upgrade. Another City reject is starring in the team in Zinchenko.
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seso wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:53
bugylibicska wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 09:29 Ranking every Premier League club by their wage bill: Arsenal 6th…

1. Manchester United – £222,984,000

2. Chelsea – £169,720,000

3. Manchester City – £163,060,000

4. Liverpool – £141,782,000

5. Tottenham – £101,344,000

6. Arsenal – £85,490,000
Big difference between ManU and the other big clubs... It doesn't show on the pitch!
Their wage bill is bigger than Tottenham's and Arsenal's together. And 4 times bigger than Newcastle's. All of them are ahead of them in the table. There're some demented people running the show there.
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bugylibicska wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 20:30 Newcastle; Chelsea 1:0, and 3rd place cemented!
I wouldn't call it "cemented"! They next play against Leicester City that have also been having a good run; let's see!
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Big win for MU!
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MU is becoming the "Atletico Madrid of EPL".
Very few goals, boring football, yet always very tenacious and hard to put down.
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19. Leeds United – £17,300,000
who can believe this? I just picked out randomly Leeds United's "wage bill".
So I asked myself: what are this 17,3 mio for? For which period? yearly? monthly? basic salaries? bonuses? admin costs? social insurance contributions? taxes? it' s just superficial stuff from a medium that probably even can't spell the word football correctly and then simply copy/pasted into here without logical prove.
Well 17 mio is not even FC Basels players salaries for one year just to compare.
Within Leeds United's consolidated financial statement for period ended 30th June 2021 staff costs = total salaries & wages for the whole club amounts to 108 mio Pounds for this period increasing from 78 mio the year before in Championship. This is much more realistic and should be correct.
Only Leeds United central distributions (broadcast and commercial revenues) amounts for about 108 mio per annum. Think logically!
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