2024 Copa America

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amenina wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:00
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amenina wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 22:41

Yes, in the old days when it was still called the "Campeonato Sudamericano de Fútbol", it was very disorganized and held intermittently, and sometimes teams did not enter or only sent their B-teams. After the 8-year absence from 1967, in 1975 the tournament was renamed "Copa America", and started to be held regularly, first every four years from 1975 to 1989, then every two years from 1991 to 2001. After that there are usually two to four years between tournaments (apart from the 2016 Centennial tournament held in the US).
Then 2 years from 2019-21 and then they went for 2024 not 2023. Will the next one be in 2028?
I think the schedule nowadays is to hold it in the same year as the Euros. The last one was going to be in 2020, but both it and the Euros were postpone by a year due to COVID.
So it's a set 4-year cycle now?
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Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:11
amenina wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:00
Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 22:45

Then 2 years from 2019-21 and then they went for 2024 not 2023. Will the next one be in 2028?
I think the schedule nowadays is to hold it in the same year as the Euros. The last one was going to be in 2020, but both it and the Euros were postpone by a year due to COVID.
So it's a set 4-year cycle now?
Should be. But who knows? They often change their minds, especially if somebody (USA, Saudi?) comes up with lots of money to host the tournament.
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It has great potential which could be realised if the Americas were fully integrated for NT football: 2 x NLs and NL-style Qualifiers for the Copa America and World Cup - like the UEFA women's NT format which also features 51 teams - thereby avoiding Brazil-Anguilla type games, at least until Anguilla earns the right to play Brazil.

Between World Cup, Copa America and biennial NLs the Americas could have an attractive and lucrative portfolio of NT competitions.
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amenina wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:14
Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:11
amenina wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:00

I think the schedule nowadays is to hold it in the same year as the Euros. The last one was going to be in 2020, but both it and the Euros were postpone by a year due to COVID.
So it's a set 4-year cycle now?
Should be. But who knows? They often change their minds, especially if somebody (USA, Saudi?) comes up with lots of money to host the tournament.
Suerely Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 can't host can they? It's not in America.
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Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:24
amenina wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:14
Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:11
So it's a set 4-year cycle now?
Should be. But who knows? They often change their minds, especially if somebody (USA, Saudi?) comes up with lots of money to host the tournament.
Suerely Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 can't host can they? It's not in America.
Never say never!

But probably 2028 will be in Argentina/Uruguay/Paraguay as preparation for the 2030 World Cup centenary matches.
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Tazmania wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:16 It has great potential which could be realised if the Americas were fully integrated for NT football: 2 x NLs and NL-style Qualifiers for the Copa America and World Cup - like the UEFA women's NT format which also features 51 teams - thereby avoiding Brazil-Anguilla type games, at least until Anguilla earns the right to play Brazil.

Between World Cup, Copa America and biennial NLs the Americas could have an attractive and lucrative portfolio of NT competitions.
I'm not so sure if CONMEBOL teams would like the idea to play teams from Central America and the Caribbean continuesly, and even if you give 12 spots to the join qualifiers it would be probable that CONMEBOL teams will claim 8 or 9 spots.
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amenina wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 09:15 Juan Reynoso have been fired as Peru coach (only 2 points in 6 WCQ matches). Likely to be replaced by Jorge Fossati, who just won the Peruvian league with Universitario, and has previously coached Uruguay and Qatar in international football.

https://elcomercio.pe/deporte-total/sel ... utType=amp
Jorge Fossati has been appointed the new head coach of Peru.

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On the other hand, with Carlo Ancelotti signing a new contract at Real Madrid until 2026, who will be the Brazil head coach next summer? Right now, they have Fernando Diniz, who is the head coach of Fluminense, as their caretaker.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67840986
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So Brazil will have been without a permanent coach for over a year; poor management.
TommyChat wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 22:59
Tazmania wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 23:16 It has great potential which could be realised if the Americas were fully integrated for NT football: 2 x NLs and NL-style Qualifiers for the Copa America and World Cup - like the UEFA women's NT format which also features 51 teams - thereby avoiding Brazil-Anguilla type games, at least until Anguilla earns the right to play Brazil.

Between World Cup, Copa America and biennial NLs the Americas could have an attractive and lucrative portfolio of NT competitions.
I'm not so sure if CONMEBOL teams would like the idea to play teams from Central America and the Caribbean continuesly, and even if you give 12 spots to the join qualifiers it would be probable that CONMEBOL teams will claim 8 or 9 spots.
I would expect 8, at the most.

There would be other benefits, like more interesting and lucrative competitions, more opportunities to build rivalries, and NL-style format every year would avoid Brazil-Anguilla type games, unless Brazil were relegted!
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Brazil sack Diniz as coach and look at Dorival Jr

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RIO DE JANEIRO, Jan 5 (Reuters) - Coach Fernando Diniz will no longer be in charge of the Brazil national team, said the Brazilian Football Confederation (CBF) on Friday.

Diniz, who was appointed on an interim basis, had a one-year contract but led Brazil for six games in the 2026 World Cup qualifying round, with three defeats, one draw and two wins. He combined his work with Fluminense, the club with which he won the Copa Libertadores last year.

"The CBF thanks Fernando Diniz for the work he has done, for all his dedication and seriousness, and for the challenge of renewing the Brazilian national team during his tenure. We wish Fernando Diniz the best of luck," the sports governing body said in a statement.

President Ednaldo Rodrigues spoke to Fluminense president Mario Bittencourt on Thursday about the decision to hire a permanent coach to prepare the team for the 2026 FIFA World Cup.

Sao Paulo coach Dorival Junior is being considered for the job, two sources told Reuters.

"Diniz's departure is due to the national team's results, which were not as expected," said one of the sources. Brazil is in sixth place in the South American World Cup qualifying standings.

The CBF was looking to Carlo Ancelotti to take over this year, but the Italian preferred to renew his contract with Real Madrid. Now, Rodrigues' favorite to lead the team is Dorival, according to the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"Ednaldo has already opened talks with the president of Sao Paulo, Julio Casares, to express his interest in Dorival Jr," said the second source.

"He explained that he was in a hurry and wanted Dorival soon because of the start of the season. Julio said he was going to talk to Dorival and that the situation would be resolved by Monday."

The decision came a day after Rodrigues returned to the helm of the CBF, thanks to a decision by Minister Gilmar Mendes, of the Federal Supreme Court (STF), after being removed in early December by the Rio de Janeiro Court of Justice.
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Dorival Junior succeeds Diniz as Brazil coach

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Dorival Junior has been appointed Brazil coach, the CBF has confirmed. The 61-year-old replaced Fernando Diniz, who was dismissed last week following the Seleção’s poor start to FIFA World Cup 26™ qualifying. Brazil are sixth in the South American standings, having suffered three straight losses.

Dorival, who is much-travelled within Brazil but has never worked overseas, guided Flamengo to Copa do Brasil and Copa Libertadores glory in 2022. He left the club for Sao Paulo, whom he led to their first-ever Copa do Brasil crown last year before recently stepping down to take charge of his country.

“Dorival Junior is the new coach of the men's national team,” read a CBF statement. “He will be presented at a news conference this Thursday at the CBF headquarters in Rio de Janeiro.”

A defensive midfielder who played for the likes of Gremio and Palmeiras, Dorival has never hidden his desire to coach Brazil. His first assignment will be a friendly against England at Wembley in March.

Brazil resume their World Cup qualifying campaign at home to Ecuador and away to Paraguay in September.
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Chile hire Argentine Ricardo Gareca as next manager

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Argentine Ricardo Gareca will be Chile's new coach, tasked with trying to guide them to the 2026 World Cup.

Chile's national team released a video on X on Wednesday showing the national stadium in Santiago that faded to an image of a tiger's face. Gareca's nickname is the Tiger.

Gareca, 65, resigned in June as technical director of Argentine club Velez Sarsfield just three months after taking over.

Before that he coached Peru for seven years, taking them to the 2018 World Cup in Russia, but failing to guide them to the tournament in Qatar four years later.

Local media reported Gareca will be unveiled on Thursday as Chile's new boss in place of compatriot Eduardo Berizzo, who resigned after a goalless draw against Paraguay in the South American qualifiers in November.

Chile, eighth in the South American standings with five points after six rounds, are only ahead of Bolivia and Peru.
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I read there has not yet to be any information released about ticket sales for this event.

If that is true then it is likely that attendances will be lower than I would have expected.
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Tazmania wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 08:39 I read there has not yet to be any information released about ticket sales for this event.

If that is true then it is likely that attendances will be lower than I would have expected.
A significant proportion of the people in attendance will be people who live in the USA, either the diaspora of the participating teams, or just Americans in general who want to be experience intentional football. My impression is that the Americans in general buy tickets “later” than Europeans, so maybe no need to worry too much at this point, as long as they get the ticket sales start soon, maybe in February or March the latest.
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amenina wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 09:03 A significant proportion of the people in attendance will be people who live in the USA, either the diaspora of the participating teams, or just Americans in general who want to be experience intentional football. My impression is that the Americans in general buy tickets “later” than Europeans, so maybe no need to worry too much at this point, as long as they get the ticket sales start soon, maybe in February or March the latest.
Funny typo :grin1:
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Ed wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 09:22
amenina wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 09:03 A significant proportion of the people in attendance will be people who live in the USA, either the diaspora of the participating teams, or just Americans in general who want to be experience intentional football. My impression is that the Americans in general buy tickets “later” than Europeans, so maybe no need to worry too much at this point, as long as they get the ticket sales start soon, maybe in February or March the latest.
Funny typo :grin1:
As opposed to the people who want to experience unintentional football. :degsmile:
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