Euro 2024 Group C: Slovenia - Denmark - Serbia - England

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England
Denmark
Serbia
Slovenia

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I don't think anyone was expecting Crystal Palace to be the club with most representatives in the England squad.
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Dragonite wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 01:17 Ramsdale, Dean Henderson, Konsa, Dunk, Gomez, Mainoo, Wharton, Bowen and Gordon - Nine players in the final squad that didn't play a single minute in the qualifiers!! :sigh:
From your list of players to miss out by this metric, Pope, Maguire and Mount are injured. Sterling and Dier have not been called up in over a year. Chilwell, while presently back from injury, has consistently struggled to stay fit. That leaves four calls relating to form. Phillips has been disastrous at West Ham and Henderson was always a doubt after moving to a less competitive league in Saudi. Neither were expected to be selected.

The biggest calls were Rashford and Grealish. Both have had down years just as younger options (most notably Palmer) have hit peak form. Southgate has typically received criticism for being too conservative in his squad choices, so this is a significant change of direction.
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The thing I don't get is Southgate talks for example about Grealish having a bad end to the season. Guehi I think lost his place in the Crystal Palace first team and he made it.
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Polak wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 14:13 The thing I don't get is Southgate talks for example about Grealish having a bad end to the season. Guehi I think lost his place in the Crystal Palace first team and he made it.
Guehi has been no.3 defender behind Stones and Maguire for a while now. Expect him to start.
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With Greece absent, it's nice seeing three Pana players in Slovenia's 26-player squad!

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Victor Nelsson has not recovered from injury, so will be replaced by Mathias Zanka Jørgensen. With both Kjær and Christensen struggling to stay fit, there is a decent chance he will end up getting minutes
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Dragonite wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 19:01 Estimated squads:
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Dragonite wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 16:49
Dragonite wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 19:01 Estimated squads:
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:arrow: Oliver Christensen out and Hermansen in

:arrow: Zanka out and Norgaard in

:arrow: Stryger out and Bah in

:arrow: Lindstrom out and Dreyer in

:arrow: Braithwaite out and Dolberg in

:arrow: Hjulmand, Bruun Larsen and Yussuf Poulsen in
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:arrow: Nelsson out and Zanka in correction
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Squad numbers I think give insight into the hierarchy in this squad:

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Suggests 1-11 is the starting 11, and thus the moving of Alexander-Arnold into midfield is a big part of Southgate's plans. Toney over Watkins as the Kane backup and the order of the backup midfield at the bottom, with Gallagher having a higher number than them. Ramsdale over Henderson no surprise when the former got a game and the latter didn't.
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Prediction:
1. England
2. Denmark
3. Serbia
4. Slovenia
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Oldelpaso wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:28
Dragonite wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 01:17 Ramsdale, Dean Henderson, Konsa, Dunk, Gomez, Mainoo, Wharton, Bowen and Gordon - Nine players in the final squad that didn't play a single minute in the qualifiers!! :sigh:
From your list of players to miss out by this metric, Pope, Maguire and Mount are injured. Sterling and Dier have not been called up in over a year. Chilwell, while presently back from injury, has consistently struggled to stay fit. That leaves four calls relating to form. Phillips has been disastrous at West Ham and Henderson was always a doubt after moving to a less competitive league in Saudi. Neither were expected to be selected.

The biggest calls were Rashford and Grealish. Both have had down years just as younger options (most notably Palmer) have hit peak form. Southgate has typically received criticism for being too conservative in his squad choices, so this is a significant change of direction.
That's water under the bridge now, but Gareth Southgate had no respect for the qualifiers. England won undefeated its group with Italy, Ukraine, Macedonia and Malta.

Maguire (8 matches, 720 minutes played)
Jordan Henderson (6 matches, 369 minutes played)
Grealish (4 matches, 190 minutes played)
Rashford (6 matches, 270 minutes played, 2 goals scored)
Phillips (4 matches, 198 minutes played, 1 goal scored)
Maddison (3 matches, 219 minutes played)
Chilwell (2 matches, 180 minutes played)
Tomori (1 match, 46 minutes played)
Wilson (2 matches, 46 minutes, 1 goal scored)
Lewis (1 match, 90 minutes)
Mings (1 match, 30 minutes)
James (1 match, 5 minutes)

These are the 12 players that played the qualifiers and are missing from the final squad, while at the same time there are 9 without a single minute in the qualifiers that are in the final squad.

The 2 goalkeepers are inevitable since Pickford played every minute in the qualifiers, so that leaves seven "intruders": Konsa, Dunk, Gomez, Mainoo, Wharton, Eze and Gordon.

I like seeing Gordon there, he and Palmer are the only under-21 Euro 2023 winners there, in fact I'd like to see more like Trafford, Colwill, Jones, Gibbs-White, Gomes, Elliott...

So not only he doesn't have respect for the qualifiers, he's also disrespectful with the youth teams that, unlike England's senior team, are often successful.

And the third disrespectful thing is with English players abroad. Jordan Henderson was punished because he joined Al Ettifaq. Let's say that I agree with punishing players that play for "bad clubs". What about Dier, Tomori, Loftus-Cheek, Sancho... Do they play for "bad clubs" too?

The only players abroad good enough for England are CL winner Bellingham and CL top scorer Kane, everyone else is "beneath them".
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Lorric wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 14:29 Squad numbers I think give insight into the hierarchy in this squad:

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Suggests 1-11 is the starting 11, and thus the moving of Alexander-Arnold into midfield is a big part of Southgate's plans. Toney over Watkins as the Kane backup and the order of the backup midfield at the bottom, with Gallagher having a higher number than them. Ramsdale over Henderson no surprise when the former got a game and the latter didn't.
Shirt numbers aside, "1-11" are also the "starters" based on playing time during the qualifiers, playing time in previous Euros, CL experience... :wink:
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Dragonite wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 15:34
Lorric wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 14:29 Squad numbers I think give insight into the hierarchy in this squad:

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Suggests 1-11 is the starting 11, and thus the moving of Alexander-Arnold into midfield is a big part of Southgate's plans. Toney over Watkins as the Kane backup and the order of the backup midfield at the bottom, with Gallagher having a higher number than them. Ramsdale over Henderson no surprise when the former got a game and the latter didn't.
Shirt numbers aside, "1-11" are also the "starters" based on playing time during the qualifiers, playing time in previous Euros, CL experience... :wink:
So you'll be happy now?
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