Euro 2024 Group E: Belgium - Slovakia - Romania - Ukraine

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Sagy wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 21:57
Lorric wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 20:45
ultra2013 wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 20:33 In a 16 or 32 teams format, the Belgium defeat could have been dangerous, but this stupid 24 team format just dilutes the impact of the defeat as Belgium basically still only need a win vs either Romania or Ukraine to be in the R16 (3PT 0GD, and 3PT -1GD was enough in 2016 and 2021, respectively). Maybe they will do a Portugal like in 2016 and just use the bug of the format to win the tournament. Or maybe this is Argentina vs Saudis as in 2022.
But also if you go by them, 3pts is more likely to see you out than in. 4 teams survived with 3pts, 5 were eliminated. One survivor was Denmark, who finished 2nd with 3. One of the eliminated from that same group was Russia, who finished bottom with 3.
I will not be shocked if this group ends up with all 4 teams with 4 point while a 3 points team from another group advances.
I would be shocked. Ukraine with 4 points vs Belgium and Slovakia? Very unlikely.
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Will we ever see the "UEFA Swiss system" in some Euro Cup?
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Greyn wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 22:15
Sagy wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 21:57
Lorric wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 20:45

But also if you go by them, 3pts is more likely to see you out than in. 4 teams survived with 3pts, 5 were eliminated. One survivor was Denmark, who finished 2nd with 3. One of the eliminated from that same group was Russia, who finished bottom with 3.
I will not be shocked if this group ends up with all 4 teams with 4 point while a 3 points team from another group advances.
I would be shocked. Ukraine with 4 points vs Belgium and Slovakia? Very unlikely.
Ukraine beating Slovakia 1:0 and a 0:0 draw with Belgium might not be the likeliest of results but are mush more likely than Romania beating Ukraine 3:0 or Slovakia beating Belgium 1:0 were 12 hours ago.
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fabiomh wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 22:18 Will we ever see the "UEFA Swiss system" in some Euro Cup?
Hopefully never. With only three games it doesn't really makes sense to rank 24 teams together. It would be a big mess and not more fair than the current system.
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Sagy wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 22:23
Greyn wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 22:15
Sagy wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 21:57
I will not be shocked if this group ends up with all 4 teams with 4 point while a 3 points team from another group advances.
I would be shocked. Ukraine with 4 points vs Belgium and Slovakia? Very unlikely.
Ukraine beating Slovakia 1:0 and a 0:0 draw with Belgium might not be the likeliest of results but are mush more likely than Romania beating Ukraine 3:0 or Slovakia beating Belgium 1:0 were 12 hours ago.
Rebrov would have to make some miraculous awakening with Ukrainian team. It is not only about high defeat vs Romania, it is mainly how poor Ukraine looked today. I watched Poland - Ukraine friendly 10 days ago (Poland won 3-1) and they played with similar (lack of) quality. I think there is some deeper problem with this team.
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Greyn wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 22:30
Sagy wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 22:23
Greyn wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 22:15

I would be shocked. Ukraine with 4 points vs Belgium and Slovakia? Very unlikely.
Ukraine beating Slovakia 1:0 and a 0:0 draw with Belgium might not be the likeliest of results but are mush more likely than Romania beating Ukraine 3:0 or Slovakia beating Belgium 1:0 were 12 hours ago.
Rebrov would have to make some miraculous awakening with Ukrainian team. It is not only about high defeat vs Romania, it is mainly how poor Ukraine looked today. I watched Poland - Ukraine friendly 10 days ago (Poland won 3-1) and they played with similar (lack of) quality. I think there is some deeper problem with this team.
Maybe they want to defect to Russia? :wink1:

Hey, it happens to Cuba in every CONCACAF tournament...
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You're waiting for the Euro and then in the first game they dump a bucket of shit on your head
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fabiomh wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 22:18 Will we ever see the "UEFA Swiss system" in some Euro Cup?
Swiss system would be more fair and balanced and it will take place one time. You could make 3 pots (1-8, 9-16,17-24) one team from each pot to play if you want 3 matches in group stage. It' s not fair that Albania has to play against 2 pot 1 nations while in other group it's the opposite. Group D shows nr. 1, 5, 10 and 22 in elo rating thus no balanced distribution too. And this decides much about which teams will go through. I would like to see a computer supported draw like at Uefa club competitions.
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Congratulations Romania! :applause:
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bossake wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 17:06Historical win for Romania, only second win at Euro tournaments in 4 presences (84,96,2000 and 2016).
You're missing Euro 2008.

Romania interrupted its winless streak of 7 matches at the Euros (Italy in Euro 2000 quarters, France, Italy and Netherlands in Euro 2008, and France, Switzerland and Albania in Euro 2016).

And they scored as many goals yesterday against Ukraine as in these 7 matches combined!

It was also only the second time in their Euros history that they kept a clean sheet, the other was against France in 2008.


It's unbelievable that a team with this record, and with a squad where only 2 players participated in this season's UEFA competitions (Racovitan and Sorescu for Raków, who finished bottom of its EL group), and that was demoted to Nations League C after finishing bottom of its group with Bosnia, Finland and Montenegro, then won its qualifying group undefeated above Switzerland, and now won 3-0 against Ukraine. :?


For the people complaining about the lack of surprises in the first first seven matches, they got a huge surprise here.
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People in Belgium who are not fans of the coach have a surname for him. Yesterday he went full Tabasco.

He doesn't seem to have a fixed 11.

Maxim De Cuyper has been great in friendlies as left-back. He's basically the only choice there... But Tabasco decided to put Carrasco (!) there.

Thomas Meunier is injured and will be back at best for the 3rd match. At the VERY VERY best (and he is still in Belgium today). Still, he was not replaced. Tabasco took 25 players (instead of 26) and now we are down to 24. When Meunier got suspended in 2018 for the match against France, he was deeply missed.

There is of course all the shitstorm around Thibaut Courtois. How can a country like Belgium go to the Euro without the best goalkeeper in the world ?

Leandro Trossard has never been great for Belgium national team. He's always been disastrous. Yesterday, how surprising, he was awful.

Orel Mangala didn't play much in Lyon ? No problem for Tabasco.
Wout Faes played this season in Championship ? No problem for Tabasco.

Vertonghen and Theate coming injured ? Tabasco didn't go the extra mile to get Alderweireld back, although he opened the door a few months ago.

Might also have been more interesting to play friendlies against "better" countries (no disrespect to Montenegro and Luxembourg) to see where the problems are. I won't 100% blame him since Belgian Federation is ran by a bunch of clowns, but he definitely had a word in it.

Yesterday it all went against Belgium. 2 big chances within the first 5 minutes to make it 1-0. Slovakia scores on a Mickey Mouse mistake by Doku (I have no idea what he was doing at this position, and doing such a suicidal play). 2 goals disallowed for Belgium, including the first ever disallowed goal thanks to the chip located inside the ball.

Belgium really needs to wake up. I think they can. I can't see Belgium not surviving this group. Especially with the bullshit best 3rds system.
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Congratulations Slovakia! :applause:
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Belgium 0-1 SloVARia!

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Lukaku should lose some weight, a goal was disallowed because his fat ass was beyond the ball line.

And Openda should cut his fingernails, there is a sensor now inside the ball that caught him scratching it and that was enough to disallow another goal too!


In Euro 2020 Slovakia also started with a win (2-1 vs Poland) and couldn't progress from its group, while in Euro 2016 Slovakia progressed from its group despite starting with a defeat (1-2 vs Wales).

So although starting with a win is great, nothing is decided yet.
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Club-Mate wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 00:49
fabiomh wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 22:18 Will we ever see the "UEFA Swiss system" in some Euro Cup?
Swiss system would be more fair and balanced and it will take place one time. You could make 3 pots (1-8, 9-16,17-24) one team from each pot to play if you want 3 matches in group stage. It' s not fair that Albania has to play against 2 pot 1 nations while in other group it's the opposite. Group D shows nr. 1, 5, 10 and 22 in elo rating thus no balanced distribution too. And this decides much about which teams will go through. I would like to see a computer supported draw like at Uefa club competitions.
The issue you are describing looks like more related to the pots criteria.
UEFA do not use ELO, but they use a different criteria, based on the position in eliminatory phase, so Italy was 2nd in the group and then in Pot4.
A Swiss system with only 3 games, based with the same criteria currently used by UEFA, would have the similar issue.
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naaba wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 08:17
Yesterday it all went against Belgium.
Yes. Had Belgium won say 2-1 (which was very possible) comments would be different of course and this group remains very open, so nothing is done yet for Belgium.

One thing surprised me is to see Carrasco playing as a left defender in a 4-man defense. I think that he already played as a left defender in a 5-man defense with Atletico, and this can make sense given his offensive potential, but in a 4-man defense it's risky as you may need a real defender.
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Slovakia with no changes compared with their previous match.

Ukraine with 4 changes compared with their previous match:
Trubin instead of Lunin
Tymchyk instead of Konoplia
Brazhko instead of Stepanenko
Yarmolenko instead of Tsygankov
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Slovakia in the lead and comfortably controlling the game. They are so much better than a pot 5 team in qualifying. They need to sort their Nations League situation out, that might be difficult with Sweden in their group if the Swedes get their act together. They flew under the radar, and I don't think the Portugal group was as weak as it seemed to be. Slovakia put up a good fight against Portugal in both games and won the rest except for a home 0-0 draw with Luxembourg at the start of the campaign.
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