Greek Football Season 2024/25

[Firnen]

PAOK coach Lucescu has been banned for 4 months for physically assaulting (grabbing by the neck) an AEK fan who was mocking him when PAOK's bus was departing from AEK's stadium.

Lucescu has been acting more like an ultra or a club owner (oligarch with immunity) rather than a coach for a long time, I am not surprised that at some point a heavy penalty came his way.

AEK's owner was laughably not punished for storming PAOK's locker room, but as I said, owners enjoy significant immunity.

In football news, Olympiacos released Willian, who was playing (as everyone could expect from the start) a former footballer.

[emortal]

PAOK coach Lucescu has been banned for 4 months for physically assaulting (grabbing by the neck) an AEK fan who was mocking him when PAOK's bus was departing from AEK's stadium.

That's misinformation at best.

The court's decision specifically states that he was punished for "intent to use violence".

More importantly, there is video footage of the event released by AEK.
The coaching staff (!) exiting the bus was stupid and reckless, but nowhere does it show Lucescu grabbing anyone.

I also doubt they went mad just because of somebody "mocking them", or how accidental the presence of those fans was at the parking (strictly forbidden).

But of course the video starts at a moment convenient for AEK's story.

Lucescu has been acting more like an ultra or a club owner (oligarch with immunity) rather than a coach for a long time, I am not surprised that at some point a heavy penalty came his way.

To be fair, his role is not comparable to any other coach in the league.

He's got to fill in as a spokesperson for the club, and many times protecting his players falls on his shoulders.

AEK's owner was laughably not punished for storming PAOK's locker room, but as I said, owners enjoy significant immunity.

The starker contrast is with AEK coach Almeida, who grabbed a policeman (!) by the throat on live tv just last May during the play-off game.
And was "punished" with a 20k fine ...

[Bulgarian]

In a country where:
* Dinamo hools clash with AEK hools in Athens, resulting in one of them dying, with no-one getting punished (8/2023)
* fans of Olympiakos use naval flares against the police, killing a policeman, yet no-one from the team gets punished (12/2023)
* AEK coach Almeida grabs a policeman by the throat (policeman was working on behalf of the "commitee against violence" ), then gets a 20k fine
* AEK owner storms the PAOK locker-room and is "cautioned"

the FA has decided that PAOK coach Lucescu is responsible for violence in Greek football, banning him for 4 months from sitting on the bench

So did PAOK get punished when their fans took active part in killing a bulgarian fan almost 4 years ago (5 january 2020)?

[Club-Mate]

this is not the only unsolved murder case in Greek football scene. Someone cannot expect too much successful (serious) investigative work from the Greek judicial system. Either It lacks on suitable structures (video surveillance at hotspots, organized deployment plans etc.) and/or there are hobby investigators on duty. In the case in Athens where Dinamo hools clash with AEK hools with one death involved obviously they arrested dozens of so called suspects, every single one they could catch in vicinity, not considering that only a strong suspicion of guilt can hold them longer than a short time at police station. No wonder that often nothing comes out. It is a shame to leave the relatives of victims out in the cold like this.

[emortal]

So did PAOK get punished when their fans took active part in killing a bulgarian fan almost 4 years ago (5 january 2020)?

The persons that participated in that particular incident may still be in prison.

Despite the fact that they didn't actually "kill" anyone.
AFAIK they attacked/chased off some Bulgarian Aris fans (?!) and one of them run into the street where he was mortally run over.

In any case why would the team be punished?

[emortal]

this is not the only unsolved murder case in Greek football scene. Someone cannot expect too much successful (serious) investigative work from the Greek judicial system. Either It lacks on suitable structures (video surveillance at hotspots, organized deployment plans etc.) and/or there are hobby investigators on duty. In the case in Athens where Dinamo hools clash with AEK hools with one death involved obviously they arrested dozens of so called suspects, every single one they could catch in vicinity, not considering that only a strong suspicion of guilt can hold them longer than a short time at police station. No wonder that often nothing comes out. It is a shame to leave the relatives of victims out in the cold like this.

It's ingenious to blame the police as unorganized.
Greek police have solved much more difficult homicides, including issuing arrest warrants for professional hitmen coming to the country just for "a job".

Especially in the case of the Dinamo hools, they were arrested pending trial for inciting violence, hooliganism, possession of weapons and other offences (i.e. not just on suspicion of murder as you claim).
They drove all the way from Croatia to Athens (pre-meditated/organized) not to watch the game, but just to clash with other like-minded hooligans.
And they should still be in prison (yes, all 200 of them). It's a scandal they're not.

Normally I wouldn't blame the team, but in the case of Dinamo the BBB have a "special" relationship to the club.
In fact, the son of a Dinamo board member took part in the clash and was smuggled out by the team as "staff member".

UEFA chose to just look the other way

[Bulgarian]

So did PAOK get punished when their fans took active part in killing a bulgarian fan almost 4 years ago (5 january 2020)?

The persons that participated in that particular incident may still be in prison.

Despite the fact that they didn't actually "kill" anyone.
AFAIK they attacked/chased off some Bulgarian Aris fans (?!) and one of them run into the street where he was mortally run over.

In any case why would the team be punished?

The person in question was beaten up to the point of not being able to move then got run over by a car. Sure they didnt kill him thats why i wrote “took active part” because i expected a similar answer but they did more than enough. Bulgarian Aris fan? Lmao the guy was a Botev Plovdiv fan and actually after the opening of their new stadium a couple years ago has a special seat in the ultras section with his initials. The seat remains empty every game. Did he attend the city derby the previous day with Aris fans? Yes. Is that an excuse for those scums to beat him to the point of not being able to move? NO. I really hope the fans in question spend they remaining lives in prison but i doubt it.
Should the club be punished? No the question was rhetorical. The point was that you seem like you constantly bark at the other three big clubs but if your beloved club/fans fuck up you turn a blind eye or try to not make it a big deal.

TLDR: you are biassed af.

[emortal]

Bulgarian Aris fan? Lmao the guy was a Botev Plovdiv fan and actually after the opening of their new stadium a couple years ago has a special seat in the ultras section with his initials. The seat remains empty every game.

How is this football-related then?

The person in question was beaten up to the point of not being able to move then got run over by a car.

Ok, I didn't know that. It obviously changes things if they left him beaten up on the road.

In any case, I'm not a judge nor a lawyer, handing over sentences from my keyboard.

Should the club be punished? No the question was rhetorical.

Then why post it as a reply to me?

Nowhere in my post did I mention teams should be punished.

The point was that you seem like you constantly bark at the other three big clubs but if your beloved club/fans fuck up you turn a blind eye or try to not make it a big deal.

What are you even talking about?

I just pointed out the ridiculous injustice in sentences handed by the FA disciplinary judges, providing some recent examples.
I even mentioned that the coaching staff acted stupidly and they should be fined by the team internally anyway.

And then you interjected with an incident that happened 5 years ago at a cafeteria far from any sports facility not on a matchday.
Because it may have involved some people identifying as PAOK fans

Like I'm going to support a lenient sentence for them because of that
You really need help.

[Bulgarian]

Its topic related. You labelled him an Aris fan and was corrected.

Neither am i unfortunately.

Its fairly insinuated that you want other teams punished hence my reply.

As i said your posts are very heavily biassed imo and i replied to you with this because you noted antics of other fans -> i wanted your opinion on this situation but i see from the first response that you are not very familiar with this at all.

While the incident is not on the stadium or in the vicinity nor on a MD its definitely under the “hat” of football hooliganism.

I dont need help your second to last sentence was enough thanks.
I still think you are heavily biassed but at least you dont support scum
Edit: i am typing of off a phone and i cba quoting everything to reply hence the paragraphs.

[Firnen]

These are different topics: penal investigations, where a punishment needs to be supported by way more concrete evidence in a proper trial, and the owners have significant sway, means, connections and money to support their ultras.

Now a match ban is a sports penalty, handed way easier and with less evidence, just a judge forming a reasonable speculation.

Coaches and footballers are also held to a higher standard than ultras and owners, because they are the sports front of the mobs: they are supposed to play the game. The violence and mafia business is for the boss and his foot soldiers.

Of course sometimes coaches and footballers have also got away with physical altercations, like AEK's coach Almeyda recently.

[seso]

It's a good season for OFI. They beat PAOK in Thessaloniki earlier in the season for the first time after 31 years and they now beat Aris in Thessaloniki for the first time after 22 years.

[Firnen]

MD 17

Kallithea - Lamia 2-1
Levadiakos - Panserraikos 1-0
Volos - AEK 2-4
Aris - OFI 0-2
Atromitos - Asteras Tripolis 0-1
Panathinaikos - PAOK 2-1
Panaitolikos - Olympiacos 0-2

Standings:

Olympiacos........11-4-2.....37
Panathinaikos.....10-5-2.....35
AEK.................10-4-3.....34
PAOK...............10-3-4......33
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Aris..................8-3-6.....27
Panaitolikos........6-5-6......23
OFI..................6-5-6......23
Asteras Tripolis....6-4-7......22
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Atromitos..........5-4-8......19
Levadiakos........3-8-6......17
Panserraikos.......5-2-10....17
Volos................5-2-10....17
Kallithea...........1-9-7......12
Lamia...............1-6-10....9

- Business as usual for Olympiacos, having trouble against a minnow until a set piece (a penalty from a corner) unlocks the defense. The match became much easier for the league leaders when Panaitolikos saw a red card.
- Another week, another late goal win for Panathinaikos. Rui Vitoria's luck holds well for a 3rd month so far with these late wins, although Panathinaikos was superior to PAOK in this derby, and put a lot of pressure to PAOK when they got a numerical advantage. The champions remain winless in 5 derbies and are now 4 points behind the top,
- No problems for AEK against Volos, fiasco for Aris who lost to OFI again and the top 4 is flying away.
- Asteras returned in the top 8 with an away win against Atromitos, Levadiakos is starting to see the results coming and caught up Panserraikos and Volos, while Kallithea finally got their first win against sinking Lamia and kept in touch with 12th.

[Club-Mate]

this is not the only unsolved murder case in Greek football scene. Someone cannot expect too much successful (serious) investigative work from the Greek judicial system. Either It lacks on suitable structures (video surveillance at hotspots, organized deployment plans etc.) and/or there are hobby investigators on duty. In the case in Athens where Dinamo hools clash with AEK hools with one death involved obviously they arrested dozens of so called suspects, every single one they could catch in vicinity, not considering that only a strong suspicion of guilt can hold them longer than a short time at police station. No wonder that often nothing comes out. It is a shame to leave the relatives of victims out in the cold like this.

It's ingenious to blame the police as unorganized.
Greek police have solved much more difficult homicides, including issuing arrest warrants for professional hitmen coming to the country just for "a job".

but unfortunately not this not so difficult case obviously. Where does the info come from "it was a Croation hooligan"? with quick and coordinated police operation it could have found out which persons were witnesses and then quick investigation would probabely solved to find this person. If I were a close relative of the person killed I would have asked or even demanded (I do not know Greek process laws) from the Athens police authority a detailed report for this incident - that is the least that a police authority should provide to a close relative. And if there were any irregularities I would have taken legal advice and would have sued this incompetent authority.

Not so long time ago there were similar incidents (no homicide but serious bodily harm) when Feyenoord fans "visited" Graz. There were seriously injured victims on the scene. A large police force was soon on site. Some time later on this evening police arrested some Feyenoord ultras or whatever and investigated them with all the usual procedere, interrogations, fingerprints later on likely with video evidence and so on. The perpetrators were then released and asked to leave the country immediately (probabely no danger of collusion determined). The entire file was sent then to NED to begin proceedings there.
All this I miss in the case in Athens.

[Firnen]

Greek Cup R16, 2nd leg (1st leg):

Panathinaikos - Atromitos 2-1 (2-1)

Greek Cup QF, 2nd leg (1st leg):

Asteras Tripolis - Panionios(2) 2-0 (2-0)
Panathinaikos - Olympiacos 15/1 and 5/2
PAOK - AEK 1-1 aet.(0-1)
Panachaiki(2) - OFI 1-2 (0-5)

Greek Cup SF

Asteras Tripolis vs OFI
AEK vs Panathinaikos/Olympiacos

AEK eliminates PAOK in added time, with Odubajo scoring the crurcial goal. PAOK had survived in the 91st minute by a goal from Zivkovic, but in the end remain winless in 7/7 derbies this season and exits the Cup.

No surprises in the other matches, now the derby of the eternal enemies steals the show next week.

[emortal]

but unfortunately not this not so difficult case obviously. Where does the info come from "it was a Croation hooligan"? with quick and coordinated police operation it could have found out which persons were witnesses and then quick investigation would probabely solved to find this person. If I were a close relative of the person killed I would have asked or even demanded (I do not know Greek process laws) from the Athens police authority a detailed report for this incident - that is the least that a police authority should provide to a close relative. And if there were any irregularities I would have taken legal advice and would have sued this incompetent authority.

You continue talking about the homicide, conveniently ignoring all other crimes committed.

Not so long time ago there were similar incidents (no homicide but serious bodily harm) when Feyenoord fans "visited" Graz. There were seriously injured victims on the scene. A large police force was soon on site. Some time later on this evening police arrested some Feyenoord ultras or whatever and investigated them with all the usual procedere, interrogations, fingerprints later on likely with video evidence and so on. The perpetrators were then released and asked to leave the country immediately (probabely no danger of collusion determined). The entire file was sent then to NED to begin proceedings there.
All this I miss in the case in Athens.

This is nothing like the Athens case at all.

Feyenoord fans visited Graz under the guise of watching the game and supporting their team from the stands.
Then, in several incidents around the city they caused trouble, including clashing with the police.
Interestingly the only stabbing victims were two Dutch fans.
(source)

Wasn't the first time this happened (we've even seen this in Euros), won't be the last.

Whereas in the Dinamo-AEK case, hundreds of hooligans travelled by car using different routes/timetables, in order to specifically trick the police, without any intention to watch the game from the stands (as Dinamo didn't receive any tickets).

They then coalesced around the AEK stadium, with the specific intent to clash with other hooligans the day before the game !

Do you really want to pretend not to understand the difference?

The hooligans (BBB, AEK and all the rest alike) were of course arrested after the clash, interrogated, fingerprinted and imprisoned if they were deemed a flight risk.

Croatians claimed they were on a tourist visit

Btw. unlike the Croatian president, no Dutch politician (much less the king) tried to interfere with the Austrian police case AFAIK.