UEFA New Access List

[babaluj1]

The basic thing for a competition to be fair is that they all countries have the same ratio of direct seats in GS and teams in qualifying. One direct place-2 teams in qualifications, 2 direct places-4 teams in qualifications, 3 direct places-6 teams in qualifications. Increasingly, teams with poor performances from the big 5 leagues are in last place, not only in CL, but also in EL. Such teams would drop qualifications in 90% of the cases and do not deserve direct seats.

Who says that?
Were is that fair law?
Why should teams less competitive to have same oportunities to be in the place of more competitives teams?
Why should Andorra, Liechenstein or Kosovo have direct spots? They have qualifying. If they are good enough they will get their.
This way all teams have chances, although the amount of games depends on their country previous performance

Andora,Liechenstain or Kosovo are not in Top 30 countries and they would not get a direct spot in EL2. Romania is currently ranked 30th and is the weakest country to get a direct seat in EL2. If you think it's too weak to take a direct spot in EL2, look at how Romanian Cluj and Scottish Celtic dominate the GS EL this season over Stade Rennais and Lazio, top 5 league teams that have direct seats.

[Lusankya]

The basic thing for a competition to be fair is that they all countries have the same ratio of direct seats in GS and teams in qualifying. One direct place-2 teams in qualifications, 2 direct places-4 teams in qualifications, 3 direct places-6 teams in qualifications. Increasingly, teams with poor performances from the big 5 leagues are in last place, not only in CL, but also in EL. Such teams would drop qualifications in 90% of the cases and do not deserve direct seats.

Who says that?
Were is that fair law?
Why should teams less competitive to have same oportunities to be in the place of more competitives teams?
Why should Andorra, Liechenstein or Kosovo have direct spots? They have qualifying. If they are good enough they will get their.
This way all teams have chances, although the amount of games depends on their country previous performance

Andora,Liechenstain or Kosovo are not in Top 30 countries and they would not get a direct spot in EL2. Romania is currently ranked 30th and is the weakest country to get a direct seat in EL2. If you think it's too weak to take a direct spot in EL2, look at how Romanian Cluj and Scottish Celtic dominate the GS EL this season over Stade Rennais and Lazio, top 5 league teams that have direct seats.

Well, and Scotland got a better coefficient (so far) than France this year. So they just need to keep it up and can overtake France then.

[babaluj1]

Nobody can overtake France anymore because France has a direct 5 seats in the GS. From 2021 France will regularly play 6/6 in GS, only one team in PO EL2. Scotland has 2/4, what is much worse. Neither Portugal nor the Netherlands have more chances against France. They will lose teams in qualifying and France will not.
 

[wannabeontop]

When can we see a preliminary 2020-2021 access list, might I ask?

[m-p3]

When can we see a preliminary 2020-2021 access list, might I ask?

https://cdn1.sefutbol.com/sites/default ... 0-21_-.pdf

[Lubomir25]

I know it is unlikely but what would happen if Celtic won the Europa League and Scottish premiership? Would Rangers (who would finish 2nd if Celtic won it) take their place in champions league Qualifiers and would they go through the champions route or non-champoona route? (Based on this year)

[Lorric]

I know it is unlikely but what would happen if Celtic won the Europa League and Scottish premiership? Would Rangers (who would finish 2nd if Celtic won it) take their place in champions league Qualifiers and would they go through the champions route or non-champoona route? (Based on this year)

Celtic would go to the group stage, Rangers wouldn't get anything.

[Forza AZ]

I know it is unlikely but what would happen if Celtic won the Europa League and Scottish premiership? Would Rangers (who would finish 2nd if Celtic won it) take their place in champions league Qualifiers and would they go through the champions route or non-champoona route? (Based on this year)

The winners of the CL and EL are promoted to CL-GS. For the other teams from their country nothing changes about the rounds they start in CL and EL.

Any open spots in the access list will be filled by moving up teams from the previous round(s) or giving an extra team a bye in Q1.

So for your example, Celtic would start in CL-GS, and the other 3 Scottish teams in EL-Q2 and EL-Q1 (twice).

[Dragonite]

dnina10, I was working on a projection for the 2021/2022 CL, EL and ECL participants, and the result was the following:

CL:
Pot 1: Real Madrid, Manchester City, Bayern, Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Porto, Zenit, Gent
Pot 2: Barcelona, Atlético Madrid, Liverpool, Arsenal, Sevilla, Tottenham, Borussia Dortmund, Roma
Pot 3: Shakhtar, Napoli, Lyon, Ajax, Benfica, Besiktas, Dinamo Kiev, Salzburg
Pot 4: Bayer Leverkusen, Sporting, Basel, Schalke 04, Lazio, Monaco, Olympiakos, FC Copenhagen

EL:
Pot 1: Manchester United, Chelsea, Villarreal, Valencia, CSKA Moscow, Braga, Leipzig, PSV Eindhoven
Pot 2: Anderlecht, Krasnodar, Viktoria Plzen, Dinamo Zagreb, Celtic, Fenerbahçe, Marseille, Sparta Prague
Pot 3: Eintracht Frankfurt, Genk, Astana, Internazionale, Slavia Prague, APOEL, Ludogorets, BATE Borisov
Pot 4: Galatasaray, Red Star, Saint-Étienne, Rapid Wien, Atalanta, Steaua, Malmo, Qarabag

ECL:
Pot 1: Athletic Bilbao, Lokomotiv Moscow, Wolfsburg, Club Brugge, Young Boys, Leicester, PAOK, Partizan
Pot 2: Standard Liège, AC Milan, Spartak Moscow, AZ Alkmaar, Feyenoord, Legia Warsaw, AEK Athens, Maccabi Tel-Aviv
Pot 3: Istanbul Basaksehir, Molde, Midtjylland, Rennes, Hapoel Beer-Sheva, Maribor, Rosenborg, FC Zurich
Pot 4: Sheriff, Zorya, Videoton, Austria Wien, Spartak Trnava, Dundalk, Brondby, Dudelange

Assumptions:
Current country ranking
Current team ranking to sort teams domestically
Highest ranked team always prevails
None of the title holder spots is used

Did I make any mistake? Your expertise would be useful.
Thanks in advance for your support.

[SimonB]

@dragonite

dnina10 is probably better placed to answer your question in totality than I am, but one thing that jumped out at me when I took a look at this is that you have listed Dinamo Zagreb in both the CL and El competitions.

[m-p3]

cldraw.ru
Tabs "el1" and "el2" - abstract seedings EL and ECL for season 20/21 according to rules 21/22.

[Dragonite]

@dragonite

dnina10 is probably better placed to answer your question in totality than I am, but one thing that jumped out at me when I took a look at this is that you have listed Dinamo Zagreb in both the CL and El competitions.

It was Dinamo KIEV in CL, I already corrected it, thanks...

[Club-Mate]

according to Dragonite's list N 1 Salzburg; N 4 Rapid ; N 7 Austria Wien of Austria current team ranking domestically would make it to the GS. LASK N2, WAC N3 and Sturm N5 out but N7 Austria Wien in. In this constellation we will loose even spot 12 soon. This N2 spot is an ejector seat! not even good enough for EL2.

[Dragonite]

according to Dragonite's list N 1 Salzburg; N 4 Rapid ; N 7 Austria Wien of Austria current team ranking domestically would make it to the GS. LASK N2, WAC N3 and Sturm N5 out but N7 Austria Wien in. In this constellation we will loose even spot 12 soon. This N2 spot is an ejector seat! not even good enough for EL2.

The 2021/2022 UEFA season will be based on the 2020/2021 domestic tables, not the current 2019/2020 domestic tables. Unless any of them is relegated, Rapid Wien, Austria Wien, LASK and WAC are all leveled on 0 points.

[Nafi]

Taking Anderlecht as best belgian team is not realistic at all.