They cannot fill a gap in Q3 by promoting just a club from Q1 to Q2, as they say, they have to promote two of them. But that would mean one more matchup in Q2, which would result in one more team in CoL Q3.
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As_Contas_do_Título
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They can promote four clubs to Q2 from Q1.
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In CL title holder rebalancing, if Shakhtar is promoted from CL-PO to CL league phase, are we absolutely sure that their place in CL-PO will be filled by promoting the best ranked champion from CL-Q2? Is there any other possibility? I cannot find this in the regulations.
3.04nogomet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 20:35 In CL title holder rebalancing, if Shakhtar is promoted from CL-PO to CL league phase, are we absolutely sure that their place in CL-PO will be filled by promoting the best ranked champion from CL-Q2? Is there any other possibility? I cannot find this in the regulations.
If the UEFA Champions League and/or UEFA Europa League titleholder qualifies for the league phase of the competition through its domestic championship, the vacancy created in the league phase is filled as follows, in the following order (see Annex A):
A) vacancy created by the UEFA Champions League titleholder is filled by the domestic champion with the highest individual club coefficients of all the clubs that qualify for the champions path. The champions path is adapted accordingly, with each subsequent vacancy filled by the club(s) with the highest individual club coefficient(s) of all the clubs in the previous round.
We can be sure that the highest ranked champion in UCL Q2 will be promoted to the play-off after e.g. Shakhtar creates a vacancy in the play-off.
But they say "in the previous round". The previous round is CL-Q3 and there is no one there, so no one to promote to CL-PO.Fotcalc wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 20:41 A) vacancy created by the UEFA Champions League titleholder is filled by the domestic champion with the highest individual club coefficients of all the clubs that qualify for the champions path. The champions path is adapted accordingly, with each subsequent vacancy filled by the club(s) with the highest individual club coefficient(s) of all the clubs in the previous round.[/i]
We can be sure that the highest ranked champion in UCL Q2 will be promoted to the play-off after e.g. Shakhtar creates a vacancy in the play-off.
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What has come to mind is that, to fill that 1 missing place in CL-PO, they can choose to rebalance the access list in a way that would increase the number of matchups in CL-Q3 instead.
They won't do this, because it would impact the EL PO as well. It's definitely going to be a team from CL Q2 getting a double bye to PO
Is it true to say that the use of “previous round” is to eliminate the possibility of a club from CL-Q1 (could have the highest individual club coefficient from all the clubs below CL-PO) from filling the CL-PO spot in this scenario.dnina10 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 21:17They won't do this, because it would impact the EL PO as well. It's definitely going to be a team from CL Q2 getting a double bye to PO
Yes it is. Think about EL Q rebalancing resulting from ECL TH. It's the same principle. A vacancy in the PO round would be replaced by a team from Q3, so it's the same thingSagy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 22:09Is it true to say that the use of “previous round” is to eliminate the possibility of a club from CL-Q1 (could have the highest individual club coefficient from all the clubs below CL-PO) from filling the CL-PO spot in this scenario.
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I just heard that Bundesliga could be represented by 6! Teams in UCL .... That is the case if Dortmund wins UCL and finish the league at 5th place.
Bundesliga 6th will got the EPS
Bundesliga 6th will got the EPS
The same, probably more likely, can happen in Italy.garfield335 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:39 I just heard that Bundesliga could be represented by 6! Teams in UCL .... That is the case if Dortmund wins UCL and finish the league at 5th place.
Bundesliga 6th will got the EPS
There was never a case that when a team qualifies for European Football through both domestic performance and as TH holder that they would be replaced by a team from the same NA. I don't believe that UEFA suddenly decided that it will happen in a so specific scenario.
My interpretation of the regulations in this case is that this scenario actually leads to a deadlock and the regulations needs updating.
But anyway in previous regulations it was clearly written that priority 4 in UEL playoffs would include only Q3mp winners, it was believed that 4 teams would start in Q3mp when 2 teams dropped from UCL Q2lp which was proved wrong only when the rebalanced access list was published, then it was believed that since 7 teams entered directly in PO there would be a change on number of teams on each pot which was proved wrong only when draw details shortly before the draw were published.
To make matters worse about this EL thing all these things were confirmed in summer of 2022, a whole year after the circle begun.
In conclusion there is a big possibility that if this EPS + finish 5th + win UEL/UCL doesn't happen this season or the 2 upcoming we may never no if the 6th gets into UCL or not. As we never learned if there would actually be two Qualifying rounds with just 1 pairing if after Russia was banned the UEL-W slot was not used.
My interpretation of the regulations in this case is that this scenario actually leads to a deadlock and the regulations needs updating.
But anyway in previous regulations it was clearly written that priority 4 in UEL playoffs would include only Q3mp winners, it was believed that 4 teams would start in Q3mp when 2 teams dropped from UCL Q2lp which was proved wrong only when the rebalanced access list was published, then it was believed that since 7 teams entered directly in PO there would be a change on number of teams on each pot which was proved wrong only when draw details shortly before the draw were published.
To make matters worse about this EL thing all these things were confirmed in summer of 2022, a whole year after the circle begun.
In conclusion there is a big possibility that if this EPS + finish 5th + win UEL/UCL doesn't happen this season or the 2 upcoming we may never no if the 6th gets into UCL or not. As we never learned if there would actually be two Qualifying rounds with just 1 pairing if after Russia was banned the UEL-W slot was not used.
OK I get it now somehow:
Original qualification for Germany if Dortmund wins the UCL, finishes 5th without EPS would be:
5 in CL, 1 in EL and 1 in CoL
With EPS it becomes:
6 in CL, 1 in EL and 1 in CoL
If Germany didn't win EPS and Dortmund finishes 4th Germany would have 4 teams in CL.
But if Dortmund finished exactly 5th Germany would have 5 in CL without EPS so they should get an extra CL spot for winning EPS.
It's kind of the same logic about applying it after rebalncing. In Czechia's scenario of winning EPS and Slavia Prague was the champion with the highest coefficient, runner-up Sparta Prague would get the EPS slot to group stage since Czechia would have anyway Slavia in groups without winning EPS.
Original qualification for Germany if Dortmund wins the UCL, finishes 5th without EPS would be:
5 in CL, 1 in EL and 1 in CoL
With EPS it becomes:
6 in CL, 1 in EL and 1 in CoL
If Germany didn't win EPS and Dortmund finishes 4th Germany would have 4 teams in CL.
But if Dortmund finished exactly 5th Germany would have 5 in CL without EPS so they should get an extra CL spot for winning EPS.
It's kind of the same logic about applying it after rebalncing. In Czechia's scenario of winning EPS and Slavia Prague was the champion with the highest coefficient, runner-up Sparta Prague would get the EPS slot to group stage since Czechia would have anyway Slavia in groups without winning EPS.