European ranking

Lyonnais · Post by **Lyonnais** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 23:28

This is the first monthly update of the Euopean ranking I have been doing for some few years.
The principle is easy; teams collect points depending on the value of their opponents (based on an their ajusted* UEFA Team coefficient)
* no country points + degressive points

It doesn't have that much value, but i enjoy doing this and that's the most important.

At that stage, the Russian teams have an advantage as they already have played around 2/3 of their season and thus had more chances to collect points.

I'll make a monthly update.

Ranking as of October 2, 2008

1. LIVERPOOL 508 pts

Champions League - 2nd of group D with 6 pts in 2 games (same as Atletico)
Premier League - 2nd with 14 pts in 6 games (same as Chelsea)
League Cup - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Tottenham)

Key performances:
Liverpool - Middlesborough 2-1
Liverpool - Man. United 2-1
Marseille - Liverpool 1-2
Everton - Liverpool 0-2
Liverpool - PSV 3-1

2. ATLETICO 364 pts

Champions League - Leader of group D with 6 pts in 2 games (same as Liverpool)
Primera Division - 7th with 9 pts in 5 games (4 pts behind Valencia)

Key performances:
Atletico - Schalke 4-0
PSV - Altetico 0-3
Getafe - Atletico 1-2
Atletico - Marseille 2-1

3. RUBIN 335 pts

Not qualified for an European Cup this season
Russian Premier League - Leader with 48 pts in 23 games (7 pts ahead of CSKA)
Russian Cup - Qualified for the quarters

Key performances:
Lokomotiv - Rubin 0-1
Zenith - Rubin 1-3
Rubin - Zenit 4-1
Spartak - Rubin 0-1

4. GENOA 306 pts

Not qualified for an European Cup this season
Serie A - 13th with 6 pts in 5 games (6 pts behind Lazio)
Coppa Italia - Qualified for the 5th round

Key performances:
Genoa - Milan 2-0
Genoa - Roma 3-1

5. BARCELONA 305 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group C with 6 pts in 2 games (3 pts ahead of Sporting)
Primera Division - 5th with 10 pts in 5 games (3 pts behind Valencia)

Key performances:
Barcelona - Sporting 3-1
Espanyol - Barcelona 1-2
Donetsk - Barcelona 1-2

6. ARSENAL 304 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group G with 4 pts in 2 games (1 pt ahead of Porto)
Premier League - 4th with 12 pts in 6 games (2 pts behind Chelsea)
League Cup - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Wigan)

Key performances:
Arsenal - Newcastle 3-0
Blackburn - Arsenal 0-4
Bolton - Arsenal 1-3
Arsenal - Porto 4-0

7. DINAMO MOSCOW 304 pts

Not qualified for an European Cup this season
Russian Premier League - 3th with 40 pts in 23 games (8 pts behind Rubin Kazan)
Russian Cup - Qualified for the quarters

Key performances:
Dinamo - Spartak 4-3
CSKA - Dinamo 0-2
Dinamo - Lokomotiv 4-2
Dinamo - Zenit 1-0

8. NAPOLI 281 pts

UEFA Cup - Eliminated in the 1st round by Benfica
Serie A - 2nd with 11 pts in 5 games (1 pt behind Lazio)
Coppa Italia - Qualified for the 5th round

Key performances:
Napoli - Fiorentina 2-1
Napoli - Benfica 3-2
Napoli - Palermo 2-1

9. DORTMUND 280 pts

UEFA Cup - Eliminated in the 1st round by Udinese
Bundesliga - 5th with 11 pts in 6 games (2 pts behind Hamburg)
DFB Pokal - Qualified for the Last 16

Key performances:
Levekusen - Dortmund 2-3
Dortmund - Stuttgart 3-0

10. HULL 268 pts

Not qualified for an European Cup this season
Premier League - 6th with 11 pts in 6 games (3 pts behind Chelsea)
League Cup - Eliminated in the second round by Swansea

Key performances:
Newcastle - Hull 1-2
Arsenal - Hull 1-2

etc.

Previous winners
2008 Man. United
2007 Chelsea
2006 Barcelona
2005 Milan
2004 Milan
2003 Milan
2002 Real Madrid
2001 Bayern
2000 Bayern

North Union · Post by **North Union** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 23:37

Lyonnais

I have also some idea like you. It's necessary to different between CL and UEFA Cup. But what will happened, if for example Zurich had win against Milan? Was it correct to give minimum of points, just because it is start round of UEFA?

I want to present my system! It is the next progress:

P*(x/100) where

P - points in game.
x - international club coefficient of opponent
100 - norm (just to don't have big numbers).

So the points for uefa ranking are depended from uefa coefficient of opponent, not from level of tournament!

North Union · Post by **North Union** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 23:50

I make some examples:

Ac Milan (119.934) vs Zurich (16.993)

In case of Milan victory he has 0.338 points addition to UEFA ranking.
In case of draw Milan add 0.169 and Zurich 1.199 points (it is ok, because draw show only that both teams are equal, so different between rankings will be lesser)
In case of victory of Zurich swiss club has 2.398 points (so much, because he defeat big club).

Compare with another example. Last year CL 1/8

Porto (81.176) vs Schalke (67.078).

In the case of draw, Porto become 0.678 point and Schalke 0.811. But what I want to say - for example Schalke get much point for draw against Porto then Milan for victory against Zurich. And this is exactly the point, because different between Porto and Schalke is much lesser then between Milan and Zurich, so it was complicated for Schalke to make draw.

What you think about this system?

Lyonnais · Post by **Lyonnais** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 00:14

North Union wrote: So the points for uefa ranking are depended from uefa coefficient of opponent, not from level of tournament!

yes, that's exactly the pointi f you want to assess a performance.

Afterwards, there are 100 different methods to do it and your calculation is fine no problem. It's pretty like the ELO ystem, isn't it?

Lyonnais · Post by **Lyonnais** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 22:24

Update as of October 31

1. LIVERPOOL 712 pts

Champions League - 2nd of group D with 7 pts in 3 games
Premiership - Leader with 26 pts in 10 games
League Cup - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Tottenham)

Key performances:
Liverpool - Man. United 2-1
Marseille - Liverpool 1-2
Everton - Liverpool 0-2
Liverpool - PSV 3-1
Chelsea - Liverpool 0-1

2. ARSENAL 480 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group G with 7 pts in 3 games
Premiership - 3rd with 20 pts in 10 games (6 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Wigan)

Key performances:
Arsenal - Newcastle 3-0
Bolton - Arsenal 1-3
Arsenal - Porto 4-0
Arsenal - Everton 3-1
Fenerbahce - Arsenal 2-5

3. ATLETICO MADRID 459 pts

Champions League - Leader of group D with 7 pts in 3 games
Primera Division - 10th with 10 pts in 8 games (10 pts behind Valencia)
Copa del Rey - Playing the last 32 (1st leg: 1-0 at Orihuela)

Key performances:
Atletico - Schalke 4-0
PSV - Altetico 0-3
Getafe - Atletico 1-2
Atletico - Marseille 2-1

4. FC BARCELONA 439 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group C with 9 pts in 3 games
Primera Division - 2nd with 19 pts in 8 games (1 pt behind Valencia)
Copa del Rey - Playing the last 32 (1st leg: 1-0 at Benidorm)

Key performances:
Barcelona - Sporting 3-1
Espanyol - Barcelona 1-2
Donetsk - Barcelona 1-2
Barcelona - Atletico 6-1
Basel - Barcelona 0-5

5. NAPOLI 374 pts

UEFA Cup - Eliminated in the 1st round by Benfica
Serie A - 2nd with 20 pts in 9 games (same as Udinese)
Coppa Italia - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Salernitana)

Key performances:
Napoli - Fiorentina 2-1
Napoli - Benfica 3-2
Napoli - Palermo 2-1
Napoli - Juventus 2-1
Lazio - Napoli 0-1

6. MANCHESTER UNITED 371 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group E with 7 pts in 3 games
Premiership - 6th with 18 pts in 9 games (8 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. QPR)

Key performances:
Man. United - Middlesborough 3-1 (League Cup)
Man. United - Bolton 2-0
Blackburn - Man. United 0-2
Man. United - Celtic 3-0

7. GENOA 352 pts

Not qualified for an European Cup this season
Serie A - 7th with 16 pts in 9 games (4 pts behind Udinese)
Coppa Italia - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Inter)

Key performances:
Genoa - Milan 2-0
Genoa - Roma 3-1

8. HULL CITY 350 pts

Not qualified for an European Cup this season
Premiership - 5th with 20 pts in 10 games (6 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Eliminated in the second round by Swansea

Key performances:
Newcastle - Hull 1-2
Arsenal - Hull 1-2
Tottenham - Hull 0-1

9. RUBIN KAZAN 338 pts

Not qualified for an European Cup this season
Premier League - Leader with 57 pts in 26 games
Russian Cup - Qualified for the quarters (vs. Novosibirsk)

Key performances:
Lokomotiv - Rubin 0-1
Zenith - Rubin 1-3
Rubin - Zenit 4-1
Spartak - Rubin 0-1

10. CHELSEA 336 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group A with 7 pts in 3 games
Premiership - 2nd with 23 pts in 10 games (3 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Burnley)

Key performances:
Chelsea - Bordeaux 4-0
Middlesborough - Chelsea 0-5
Chelsea - Roma 1-0

Previous winners
2008 Man. United
2007 Chelsea
2006 Barcelona
2005 Milan
2004 Milan
2003 Milan
2002 Real Madrid
2001 Bayern
2000 Bayern

Lyonnais · Post by **Lyonnais** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 22:59

Update as of December 1

1. ARSENAL 914 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group G with 11 pts in 5 games
Premiership - 4rd with 26 pts in 15 games (8 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Qualified for the Quarters (vs. Burnley)

Key performances:
Arsenal - Newcastle 3-0
Arsenal - Porto 4-0
Fenerbahce - Arsenal 2-5
Arsenal - ManU 2-1
Chelsea - Arsenal 1-2

2. LIVERPOOL 853 pts

Champions League - 2nd of group D with 11 pts in 5 games
Premiership - Leader with 34 pts in 15 games
League Cup - Eliminated in the Last 16 by Tottenham

Key performances:
Liverpool - Man. United 2-1
Marseille - Liverpool 1-2
Liverpool - PSV 3-1
Chelsea - Liverpool 0-1
Liverpool - Marseille 2-1

3. FC BARCELONA 755 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group C with 13 pts in 5 games
Primera Division - Leader with 32 pts in 13 games
Copa del Rey - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Atletico Madrid)

Key performances:
Barcelona - Sporting 3-1
Espanyol - Barcelona 1-2
Basel - Barcelona 0-5
Sporting - Barcelona 2-5
Sevilla - Barcelona 0-3

4. ATLETICO MADRID 696 pts

Champions League - Leader of group D with 11 pts in 5 games
Primera Division - 6th with 21 pts in 13 games (11 pts behind Barcelona)
Copa del Rey - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Barcelona)

Key performances:
Atletico - Schalke 4-0
PSV - Atletico 0-3
Getafe - Atletico 1-2
Atletico - Marseille 2-1
Atletico - PSV 2-1

5. TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR 690 pts

UEFA Cup - Leader of Group D with 6 pts in 3 games
Premiership - 16th with 15 pts in 15 games (19 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Qualified for the quarters (vs. Watford)

Key performances:
Newcastle - Tottenham 1-2 (League Cup)
Tottenham - Bolton 2-0
Tottenham - Liverpool 2-1
Tottenham - Liverpool 4-2 (League Cup)
Tottenham - Blackburn 1-0

6. JUVENTUS 580 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group H with 11 pts in 5 games
Serie A - 2nd with 27 pts in 14 games (6 pts behind Inter)
Coppa Italia - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Catania)

Key performances:
Juventus - Zenit 1-0
Juventus - Real 2-1
Juventus - Roma 2-0
Real Madrid - Juventus 0-2

7. BAYERN 545 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group F with 11 pts in 5 games
Bundesliga - 2nd with 31 pts in 15 games (3 pts behind Hoffenheim)
DFB Pokal - Qualified for the Last 16 (vs. Stuttgart)

Key performances:
Steaua - Bayern 0-1
Bayern - Fiorentina 3-0
Schalke - Bayern 1-2
Bayern - Steaua 3-0
Leverkusen - Bayern 0-2

8. ASTON VILLA 536 pts

UEFA Cup - Leader of Group F with 6 pts in 2 games
Premiership - 5th with 25 pts in 15 games (9 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Eliminated in the Last 32 by QPR

Key performances:
Tottenham - Aston Villa 1-2
Aston Villa - Ajax 2-1
Aston Villa - Blackburn 3-2
Slavia - Aston Villa 0-1
Arsenal - Aston Villa 0-2

9. LYON 500 pts

Champions League - 2nd of Group F with 11 pts in 5 games
Ligue 1 - Leader with 34 pts in 16 games
Coupe de la Ligue - Eliminated in the Last 16 by Metz

Key performances:
Steaua - Lyon 3-5
Lyon - Steaua 2-0
Monaco - Lyon 0-1
Lyon - Bordeaux 2-1
Fiorentina - Lyon 1-2

10. FULHAM 435 pts

Not qualified for an European Cup this season
Premiership - 10th with 19 pts in 14 games (15 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Eliminated in the Last 16 by Burnley

Key performances:
Fulham - Arsenal 1-0
Fulham - Bolton 2-1
Fulham - Newcastle 2-1
Fulham - Tottenham 2-1

Previous winners
2008 Man. United
2007 Chelsea
2006 Barcelona
2005 Milan
2004 Milan
2003 Milan
2002 Real Madrid
2001 Bayern
2000 Bayern

Cirdan · Post by **Cirdan** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 23:34

Tottenham 5th, neither Chelsea nor ManU in the list... I must say that makes me believe your calculation puts a little much weight into the 2 wins vs Liverpool...

Tirion · Post by **Tirion** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 00:06

Lyonnais wrote:Update as of December 1

7. BAYERN 545 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group F with 11 pts in 5 games

9. LYON 500 pts

Champions League - 2nd of Group F with 11 pts in 5 games

Actually I think Bayern is second and Lyon is first right now. The tie breaker is the direct encounter, that is a 1-1 at Munich so Lyon should be first on away goals.

Lyonnais · Post by **Lyonnais** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 00:10

yes - objection agreed

but it still is an early ranking in the season, so a big win is overweighted (even more if 2 obviously). In the next few months, it will be much less significant - by experience, you need roughly 1000 pts to finish in the top 10.

This said:
- the weight of the big 4 is roughly the same (it follows the UEFA ranking)
- Tottenham is the only team which have defeated Liverpool this season
- ManU is 11th just 2 pts behind Fulham and the truth is that they have not defeated a big name so far really (Celtic is the most prestigious)
- even worse for Chelsea (well, Roma, not bad), but Chelsea had more opportunities, especially in the Premier League but have not succeeded.
I would however surprised if those 2 teams didn't finish in the top 10 at the end of the season.

mistral · Post by **mistral** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 00:59

Lyonnais wrote:Update as of December 1

1. ARSENAL 914 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group G with 11 pts in 5 games
Premiership - 4rd with 26 pts in 15 games (8 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Qualified for the Quarters (vs. Burnley)

Key performances:
Arsenal - Newcastle 3-0
Arsenal - Porto 4-0
Fenerbahce - Arsenal 2-5
Arsenal - ManU 2-1
Chelsea - Arsenal 1-2

I'm mystified how a team with 5 league losses before Christmas can be ranked the best in Europe!

Zhund0r · Post by **Zhund0r** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 08:24

Tirion wrote:
Lyonnais wrote:Update as of December 1

7. BAYERN 545 pts

Champions League - Leader of Group F with 11 pts in 5 games

9. LYON 500 pts

Champions League - 2nd of Group F with 11 pts in 5 games
Actually I think Bayern is second and Lyon is first right now. The tie breaker is the direct encounter, that is a 1-1 at Munich so Lyon should be first on away goals.

I thought a direct encounter is counted when both matches were played. The team playing first leg not at home would have an advantage. So, theoretically Lyon is leader, but Bayern is it because of the goal difference. WHo cares anyway ^^

Lyonnais · Post by **Lyonnais** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:37

Update as of December 31

1. LIVERPOOL FC 1211 pts

Champions League – qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Real Madrid)
Premiership - Leader with 45 pts in 20 games
League Cup - Eliminated in the round of 16 by Tottenham

Key performances:
Liverpool - Man. United 2-1
Liverpool - PSV 3-1
Chelsea – Liverpool 0-1
PSV – Liverpool 1-3
Newcastle – Liverpool 1-5

2. FC BARCELONA 1066 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Lyon)
Primera Division - Leader with 41 pts in 16 games
Copa del Rey - Qualified for the Round of 16 (vs. Atletico Madrid)

Key performances:
Barcelona - Sporting 3-1
Sporting - Barcelona 2-5
Sevilla - Barcelona 0-3
Barcelona – Real Madrid 2-0
Villareal – Barcelona 1-2

3. ARSENAL 992 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Roma)
Premiership - 5th with 35 pts in 20 games (10 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup – quarter finalist (eliminated by Burnley)

Key performances:
Arsenal - Newcastle 3-0
Arsenal - Porto 4-0
Fenerbahce - Arsenal 2-5
Arsenal - ManU 2-1
Chelsea - Arsenal 1-2

4. ATLETICO MADRID 827 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Atletico)
Primera Division - 3rd with 30 pts in 16 games (11 pts behind Barcelona)
Copa del Rey - Qualified for the Round of 16 (vs. Barcelona)

Key performances:
Atletico - Schalke 4-0
PSV - Atletico 0-3
Atletico - Marseille 2-1
Atletico - PSV 2-1
Espanyol – Atletico 2-3

5. TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR 767 pts

UEFA Cup – Qualified for the round of 32 (vs. Shakhtar)
Premiership - 16th with 20 pts in 20 games (25 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Qualified for the semis (vs. Burnley)

Key performances:
Newcastle - Tottenham 1-2 (League Cup)
Tottenham - Bolton 2-0
Tottenham - Liverpool 2-1
Tottenham - Liverpool 4-2 (League Cup)
Tottenham - Blackburn 1-0

6. JUVENTUS 759 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Chelsea)
Serie A - 2nd with 36 pts in 17 games (6 pts behind Inter)
Coppa Italia - Qualified for the Round of 16 (vs. Catania)

Key performances:
Juventus - Zenit 1-0
Juventus - Real 2-1
Juventus - Roma 2-0
Real Madrid - Juventus 0-2
Juventus – Milan 4-2

7. BAYERN 704 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Sporting)
Bundesliga - 2nd with 35 pts in 17 games (same as Hoffenheim)
DFB Pokal - Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Stuttgart)

Key performances:
Steaua - Bayern 0-1
Schalke - Bayern 1-2
Bayern - Steaua 3-0
Leverkusen - Bayern 0-2
Lyon – Bayern 2-3

8. ASTON VILLA 698 pts

UEFA Cup – Qualified for the round of 32 (vs. CSKA Moscow)
Premiership - 4th with 38 pts in 20 games (7 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Eliminated in the round of 32 by QPR

Key performances:
Tottenham - Aston Villa 1-2
Aston Villa - Ajax 2-1
Arsenal - Aston Villa 0-2
Everton – Aston Villa 2-3
Aston Villa – Bolton 4-2

9. FULHAM 579 pts

Not qualified for an European Cup this season
Premiership - 9th with 26 pts in 19 games (19 pts behind Liverpool)
League Cup - Eliminated in the Last 16 by Burnley

Key performances:
Fulham - Arsenal 1-0
Fulham - Bolton 2-1
Fulham - Newcastle 2-1
Fulham - Tottenham 2-1
Fulham – Middlesborough 3-0

10. PORTO 578 PTS

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Atletico)
Superliga - 2nd with 24 pts in 12 games (2 pts behind Sporting)
Taca de Portugal – Qualified for the quarters (vs. Leixoes)

Key performances:
Porto – Fenerbahce 3-1
Sporting – Porto 1-2
Dinamo Kiev – Porto 1-2
Fenerbahce – Porto 1-2
Porto – Arsenal 2-0

Previous winners
2008 Manchester United
2007 Chelsea
2006 Barcelona
2005 Milan
2004 Milan
2003 Milan
2002 Real Madrid
2001 Bayern
2000 Bayern

Lyonnais · Post by **Lyonnais** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 23:15

Update as of February 1

1. LIVERPOOL 1436 pts

Champions League – qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Real Madrid)
Premiership - Second with 51 pts in 24 games (2 pts behind Man. United)
FA Cup - are playing the Round of 32 (replay vs. Everton)
League Cup - Eliminated in the round of 16 by Tottenham

Key performances:
Liverpool - Man. United 2-1
Liverpool - PSV 3-1
Chelsea – Liverpool 0-1
PSV – Liverpool 1-3
Liverpool - Chelsea 2-0

2. BARCELONA 1327 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Lyon)
Primera Division - Leader with 56 pts in 21 games
Copa del Rey - Qualified for the semi-finals (vs. Mallorca)

Key performances:
Barcelona - Sporting 3-1
Sporting - Barcelona 2-5
Sevilla - Barcelona 0-3
Barcelona – Real Madrid 2-0
Villareal – Barcelona 1-2

3. ARSENAL 1064 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Roma)
Premiership - 5th with 43 pts in 24 games (10 pts behind Man. United)
FA Cup - are playing the Round of 32 (replay vs. Cardiff)
League Cup – quarter finalist (eliminated by Burnley)

Key performances:
Arsenal - Newcastle 3-0
Arsenal - Porto 4-0
Fenerbahce - Arsenal 2-5
Arsenal - ManU 2-1
Chelsea - Arsenal 1-2

4. MANCHESTER UNITED 931 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Inter)
Premiership - Leader with 53 pts in 23 games
FA Cup - qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Derby or Forest)
League Cup – qualified for the final (vs. Tottenham)

Key performances:
Man. United - Celtic 3-0
Man. United - Chelsea 3-0
Bolton - Man. United 0-1
Man. United - Tottenham 2-1 (cup)
Man. United - Everton 1-0

5. JUVENTUS 832 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Chelsea)
Serie A - 3rd with 43 pts in 22 games (7 pts behind Inter)
Coppa Italia - Qualified for the Quarters (vs. Napoli)

Key performances:
Juventus - Zenit 1-0
Juventus - Real Madrid 2-1
Juventus - Roma 2-0
Real Madrid - Juventus 0-2
Juventus – Milan 4-2

6. ATLETICO 827 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Porto)
Primera Division - 7th with 32 pts in 21 games (24 pts behind Barcelona)
Copa del Rey - Eliminated in the Round of 16 by Barcelona

Key performances:
Atletico - Schalke 4-0
PSV - Atletico 0-3
Atletico - Marseille 2-1
Atletico - PSV 2-1
Espanyol – Atletico 2-3

7. TOTTENHAM 767 pts

UEFA Cup – Qualified for the round of 32 (vs. Shakhtar)
Premiership - 14th with 24 pts in 24 games (29 pts behind Man. United)
FA Cup - Eliminated in the round of 32 by Man. United
League Cup - Qualified for the final (vs. Man. United)

Key performances:
Newcastle - Tottenham 1-2 (League Cup)
Tottenham - Bolton 2-0
Tottenham - Liverpool 2-1
Tottenham - Liverpool 4-2 (League Cup)
Tottenham - Blackburn 1-0

8. BAYERN 757 pts

Champions League – Qualified for the round of 16 (vs. Sporting)
Bundesliga - 4th with 35 pts in 18 games (3 pts behind Hoffenheim)
DFB Pokal - Qualified for the quarters (vs. Leverkusen)

Key performances:
Steaua - Bayern 0-1
Schalke - Bayern 1-2
Bayern - Steaua 3-0
Leverkusen - Bayern 0-2
Lyon – Bayern 2-3

9. SEVILLA 700 pts

UEFA Cup - Eliminated at Group stage (Standard, Stuttgart, Sampdoria)
Primera Division - 3rd with 38 pts in 21 games (18 pts behind Barcelona)
Copa del Rey - Qualified for the semi-finals (vs. Bilbao)

Key performances:
Sevilla - Espanyol 2-0
Getafe - Sevilla 0-2
Real Madrid - Sevilla 3-4
Sevilla - Villareal 1-0
Sevilla - Valencia 2-1 (cup)

10. ASTON VILLA 698 pts

UEFA Cup – Qualified for the round of 32 (vs. CSKA Moscow)
Premiership - 4th with 48 pts in 24 games (5 pts behind Man. United)
FA Cup - are playing the Round of 32 (replay vs. Doncaster)
League Cup - Eliminated in the round of 32 by QPR

Key performances:
Tottenham - Aston Villa 1-2
Aston Villa - Ajax 2-1
Arsenal - Aston Villa 0-2
Everton – Aston Villa 2-3
Aston Villa – Bolton 4-2

Previous winners
2008 Manchester United
2007 Chelsea
2006 Barcelona
2005 Milan
2004 Milan
2003 Milan
2002 Real Madrid
2001 Bayern
2000 Bayern

AlanK · Post by **AlanK** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 17:40

Lyonnais:
I grant that it seems that Sevilla is 28 points behind Barsa, but that would give Barsa 66 in only 21 games. Barsa is having an incredible year, but nobody can do what this suggests.

Lyonnais · Post by **Lyonnais** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 09:38

oops