CL Revenue Distribution

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CL Revenue Distribution

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The CL Revenue Distribution is being discussed without showing the numbers, I decided to open a new topic just about it where we show the numbers, and we also discuss how it should be.

Here’s the link with the 2013-2014 Revenue Distribution:
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Dow ... WNLOAD.pdf

I don’t agree with “Participation Bonus” (€8.6M for everybody just for participating) and I don’t agree with “Market Pool”, in my opinion the total of €904.6M should be divided by the 125 matches, and we’d have prize money per match of €7.237M for the winner to take, or €3.618M for each team if we have a draw.

That’s the “Fair” column, what each team should get.

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I’ll do the same for the previous CL seasons later.
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Records and Statistics:
:arrow: Champions League (all 141 participants - 1992/1993 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: Europa League (all 215 participants - 2009/2010 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: UEFA Youth League (all 162 participants - 2013/2014 to 2019/2020)
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Records and Statistics:
:arrow: Champions League (all 141 participants - 1992/1993 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: Europa League (all 215 participants - 2009/2010 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: UEFA Youth League (all 162 participants - 2013/2014 to 2019/2020)
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Records and Statistics:
:arrow: Champions League (all 141 participants - 1992/1993 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: Europa League (all 215 participants - 2009/2010 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: UEFA Youth League (all 162 participants - 2013/2014 to 2019/2020)
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Post by greenbay »

Would be more interesting to see this grossed up over i.e. 5 year per club. And then aggregated per country. Then we probably could even better discuss the outcome...
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Records and Statistics:
:arrow: Champions League (all 141 participants - 1992/1993 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: Europa League (all 215 participants - 2009/2010 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: UEFA Youth League (all 162 participants - 2013/2014 to 2019/2020)
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Dragonite

I know for whom you make this whole stuff. But it's wrong. It's totally, totally irrelevant.

Money is not the factor, not at all. Easterners do not need money from Uefa. Really.

They can make more money alone, on their own, but for that they have to break free from uefa.

It does not matter how much they receive from uefa, and will they receive more in the future. Totally irrelevant.

They need to work on their own gold mine instead. Yes, they have one, but are not aware of it yet.

CL money is totally irrelevant. Totally.

But they can't dig the gold mine as long as they are tied with uefa.


So, for the purpose you intended it to be, this thread is misleading. Simply wrong. Yeah, numbers are correct (i believe you), but there is so much more in relation to uefa than the minor prize money. Much, much, much more is on stake.


Your tables do not show opportunity costs, i guess you are familiar with the term. And incomplete data is misleading and harmful, worth less than no data.
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2009/2010 to 2013/2014 aggregate:

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Real Madrid, often considered “evil”, is the biggest victim of UEFA’s Revenue Distribution system, money that should be theirs every year goes to the pockets of others that could be considered intruders and thieves.
The next victims are Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Shakhtar Donetsk and FC Porto.

In the other end, the biggest thieves are AC Milan, Juventus, Marseille, Montpellier and Manchester City.

I’ll keep doing the season analysis of the previous 5 seasons, and then we can look at a full decade.
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dzomba wrote:Dragonite

I know for whom you make this whole stuff. But it's wrong. It's totally, totally irrelevant.

Money is not the factor, not at all. Easterners do not need money from Uefa. Really.

They can make more money alone, on their own, but for that they have to break free from uefa.

It does not matter how much they receive from uefa, and will they receive more in the future. Totally irrelevant.

They need to work on their own gold mine instead. Yes, they have one, but are not aware of it yet.

CL money is totally irrelevant. Totally.

But they can't dig the gold mine as long as they are tied with uefa.


So, for the purpose you intended it to be, this thread is misleading. Simply wrong. Yeah, numbers are correct (i believe you), but there is so much more in relation to uefa than the minor prize money. Much, much, much more is on stake.


Your tables do not show opportunity costs, i guess you are familiar with the term. And incomplete data is misleading and harmful, worth less than no data.
dzomba, I know it’s not your case, but Wojtekowski for instance, and others too, think that UEFA is “stealing” CL money that should be “theirs”, to give it to the “evil superpowers”.

I decided, based on MY OPINION of what’s fair, to see how UEFA is actually distributing the money, and how they should do it, and see who are the victims and who is stealing.

I don’t know yet what will be the conclusion, but after seeing 5 seasons I already have an idea.
Some teams from some countries, no matter what they do, always get less than they deserve, because of “market pool”.
And some teams from some countries, no matter what they do, always get more than they deserve, also because of “market pool”.
The only exceptions seem to be teams from poor “market pool” countries who lose (almost) every game, and teams from rich “market pool” countries that win (almost) every game.

So, UEFA is doing exactly the opposite of what it is accused of: they’re taking from the strongest (Real Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona…) to give it to the weakest (0-0-6 teams).

It’s not a “winner takes it all” system, more like a “Market pool rules” system. :evil:
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Records and Statistics:
:arrow: Champions League (all 141 participants - 1992/1993 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: Europa League (all 215 participants - 2009/2010 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: UEFA Youth League (all 162 participants - 2013/2014 to 2019/2020)
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Records and Statistics:
:arrow: Champions League (all 141 participants - 1992/1993 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: Europa League (all 215 participants - 2009/2010 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: UEFA Youth League (all 162 participants - 2013/2014 to 2019/2020)
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Records and Statistics:
:arrow: Champions League (all 141 participants - 1992/1993 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: Europa League (all 215 participants - 2009/2010 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: UEFA Youth League (all 162 participants - 2013/2014 to 2019/2020)
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Records and Statistics:
:arrow: Champions League (all 141 participants - 1992/1993 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: Europa League (all 215 participants - 2009/2010 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: UEFA Youth League (all 162 participants - 2013/2014 to 2019/2020)
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I do believe that Uefa is stealing from minnows and giving to big, but not in matter of prize money.

There are much more important things to consider. Prize money is just throwing dust in the eyes. This is how easterners got deceived.

Again, we do not need this money, just let us free from uefa. We simply do not want their deal.


This data is interesting, but the most valuable would be sum per decade -> per club, and per country.
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Records and Statistics:
:arrow: Champions League (all 141 participants - 1992/1993 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: Europa League (all 215 participants - 2009/2010 to 2019/2020)
:arrow: UEFA Youth League (all 162 participants - 2013/2014 to 2019/2020)
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