European Licences 2016-2017

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European Licences 2016-2017

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There are always teams that don't get the licence to play European Football. Here the topic for this year.

The first one is Skonto Riga: they didn't obtain a licence for their league, so probably they won't play in Europe.
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Netherlands: Only Twente doesn't get a licence (they are banned for the next 3 years because of financial troubles), but they won't qualify anyway this season.
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CSKA Sofia, still in the cup are banned for their eventual first participation in the next two seasons for not paying an earlier fine for breaching the FFP rules.
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So Galatasaray received a ban.
Dnipro is in danger (Metallica1989 said this in Ukrainian thread).
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isnt Rostov banned? or I mixed smth.
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Panionios have strengthened their position in the top5 in Greek Superleague, a place that leads to play-offs.
But they didn't get a license in the last 4 seasons, and they will hardly get one this season.
fewer spots :arrow: weaker leagues :arrow: fewer spots :arrow: weaker leagues :arrow: fewer spots :arrow: weaker leagues

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mieszambeton wrote:isnt Rostov banned? or I mixed smth.
Rostov won the 2013–14 Russian Cup, defeating FC Krasnodar on penalties 6–5, and earned qualification to the 2014–15 UEFA Europa League. However Rostov were excluded from the competition at the end of May 2014, due to breached financial rules, being replaced by Spartak Moscow. Later Rostov appealed the decision of the local football federation to lift the club from the tournament in the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne, the club won the right to play.
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og2002gr wrote:Panionios have strengthened their position in the top5 in Greek Superleague, a place that leads to play-offs.
But they didn't get a license in the last 4 seasons, and they will hardly get one this season.

If Panionios end in the first five and don't get a license, they will play-Off the same or not?

So if Panionios is excluded, then the last spot for Europe is wide open, 8 teams in 5 points.
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As for FFP.
Clubs Liverpool, As Roma, Inter and AS Monaco are punished. Some other clubs are on the UEFA's radar: These are Sparta Prague, Hull City, Lyon, Krasnodar, Besiktas Panathinaikos, Ruch Chorzow and Wolfsburg. Besides, Genoa and Dynamo Moskou are banned for this season. Latest news was that Inter and AC signed a voluntary agreement with UEFA.

Last year, Manchester City and PSG were forced improving their debt position. Also clubs Galatasaray, Trabzonspor and Bursaspor from Turkey, the Russian sides Zenit St Petersburg, Anzhi Makhachkala and Rubin Kazan and Levski Sofia from Bulgaria were punished.

So 1 May, UEFA gives time to clubs to fix things. After that, exclusion are very well possible.
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matt wrote:
og2002gr wrote:Panionios have strengthened their position in the top5 in Greek Superleague, a place that leads to play-offs.
But they didn't get a license in the last 4 seasons, and they will hardly get one this season.
If Panionios end in the first five and don't get a license, they will play-Off the same or not?
Usually licenses are given after the play-offs, so I believe will join play-offs no matter what.
matt wrote:So if Panionios is excluded, then the last spot for Europe is wide open, 8 teams in 5 points.
Exactly (if we exclude PAS Giannina for the same reason).
Duketown wrote:As for FFP.
Clubs Liverpool, As Roma, Inter and AS Monaco are punished. Some other clubs are on the UEFA's radar: These are Sparta Prague, Hull City, Lyon, Krasnodar, Besiktas, Panathinaikos, Ruch Chorzow and Wolfsburg. Besides, Genoa and Dynamo Moskou are banned for this season. Latest news was that Inter and AC signed a voluntary agreement with UEFA.
So 1 May, UEFA gives time to clubs to fix things. After that, exclusion are very well possible.
Panathinaikos is no longer in UEFA's radar.

http://www.uefa.org/protecting-the-game ... 25368.html
fewer spots :arrow: weaker leagues :arrow: fewer spots :arrow: weaker leagues :arrow: fewer spots :arrow: weaker leagues

http://kassiesa.net/uefa/forum2/viewtop ... 52#p359852
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matt wrote:
og2002gr wrote:Panionios have strengthened their position in the top5 in Greek Superleague, a place that leads to play-offs.
But they didn't get a license in the last 4 seasons, and they will hardly get one this season.

If Panionios end in the first five and don't get a license, they will play-Off the same or not?
According to the regulations of play-offs (season 2015-16) the answer is no. They will be replaced by the next (sixth) team.
By the way, also AEK may have a problem ( http://www.ekathimerini.com/139416/arti ... ao-and-aek).
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ilias wrote:
matt wrote:
og2002gr wrote:Panionios have strengthened their position in the top5 in Greek Superleague, a place that leads to play-offs.
But they didn't get a license in the last 4 seasons, and they will hardly get one this season.

If Panionios end in the first five and don't get a license, they will play-Off the same or not?
According to the regulations of play-offs (season 2015-16) the answer is no. They will be replaced by the next (sixth) team.
By the way, also AEK may have a problem ( http://www.ekathimerini.com/139416/arti ... ao-and-aek).
I get the FFP part.

But doesn't the article say because of bad economy they have to pay a fine.
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ilias wrote:
matt wrote:
og2002gr wrote:Panionios have strengthened their position in the top5 in Greek Superleague, a place that leads to play-offs.
But they didn't get a license in the last 4 seasons, and they will hardly get one this season.

If Panionios end in the first five and don't get a license, they will play-Off the same or not?
According to the regulations of play-offs (season 2015-16) the answer is no. They will be replaced by the next (sixth) team.
By the way, also AEK may have a problem ( http://www.ekathimerini.com/139416/arti ... ao-and-aek).

Ehm...will Greece have 5 teams able to compete in the next European season :?:
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matt wrote:
Ehm...will Greece have 5 teams able to compete in the next European season :?:

:rollfloor: :rollfloor:


So do we have an overwiev?

Bulgarian: CSKA Sofia
Greece: All teams except Olympiakos and Panathinaikos?
Latvia: Skonto Riga
Netherlands: Twente
Turkey: Galatsary
Ukrainian: Dnipro?
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If you make that list, could you als add clubs:
1> Bankrupt
2> Relegated or excluded by domestic FA
3> Excluded by UEFA
4> Punished by UEFA: Signing Voluntry Agreement (like PSG, City, Inter, AC did) means being break-even in 3 years.
5> Still on UEFA's radar

And from all those clubs, some will be bought by a (new) oligarch.

Then you know lot's of outgoing transfers to come ;-)
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