I'm sorry for Waldhof Mannheim. The other two were favorites to promote.greenbay wrote:1.FC Saarbrücken - 1860 München 4-5 agg
Weiche Flensburg - Energie Cottbus 2-3 agg
KFC Uerdingen - Waldhof Mannheim 3-1 agg
The Mannheim vs Uerdingen 2nd leg was abandonned in the 82th minute due to home crowd trouble. So technically, Uerdingen are not promoted yet, but there should be little doubt that Uerdingen will be awarded a forfait win.
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Weiche-Flensburg played their 4th level season at home, but their stadium is not fit for 3rd level and therefore promotion playoffs.subway14 wrote:do they play in Kiel and Duisburg just for the play-offs? or for the whole seasonspoonman wrote:Play-off for promotion to 3.Liga, 1st leg:
Saarbrücken - 1860 München 2-3
Cottbus are already 3-0 up after 37 minutes against underdogs Weiche Flensburg (in Kiel). And Uerdingen v Mannheim started with a delay of 30 minutes (in Duisburg) because thousands of fans were still outside the stadium. It's 0-0 after 10 minutes.
http://mediathek.rbb-online.de/tv/rbb-S ... d=52513824
https://www1.wdr.de/mediathek/video/sen ... a-100.html
Uerdingen vs Mannheim, well that was a high-risk game, so they were forced to a more modern stadium than their own. The 2nd leg proved them right, game abandonned after 82 minutes due to riots from the Mannheim stands.
"Put it in your signature to save you the trouble of writing it over and over again."
No need to feel sorry. They have now failed three playoffs in a row, 2016, 2017, 2018. Despite being 4th level only, they have some of the most infamous hooligans in Germany.EarlofBug wrote:I'm sorry for Waldhof Mannheim. The other two were favorites to promote.greenbay wrote:1.FC Saarbrücken - 1860 München 4-5 agg
Weiche Flensburg - Energie Cottbus 2-3 agg
KFC Uerdingen - Waldhof Mannheim 3-1 agg
The Mannheim vs Uerdingen 2nd leg was abandonned in the 82th minute due to home crowd trouble. So technically, Uerdingen are not promoted yet, but there should be little doubt that Uerdingen will be awarded a forfait win.
"Put it in your signature to save you the trouble of writing it over and over again."
But it seems Uerdingen has failed to fulfill some license requirements in time, so Mannheim might be promoting in the end.greenbay wrote:No need to feel sorry. They have now failed three playoffs in a row, 2016, 2017, 2018. Despite being 4th level only, they have some of the most infamous hooligans in Germany.EarlofBug wrote:I'm sorry for Waldhof Mannheim. The other two were favorites to promote.greenbay wrote:1.FC Saarbrücken - 1860 München 4-5 agg
Weiche Flensburg - Energie Cottbus 2-3 agg
KFC Uerdingen - Waldhof Mannheim 3-1 agg
The Mannheim vs Uerdingen 2nd leg was abandonned in the 82th minute due to home crowd trouble. So technically, Uerdingen are not promoted yet, but there should be little doubt that Uerdingen will be awarded a forfait win.
Uerdingen have obtained their licence after all. The question was wether a sum of €1.2m had arrived on the football federation's bank account before or after the deadline (15:30 CEST) last Tuesday. In fact it arrived 20 minutes too late but DFB ruled that this was due to the special terms and conditions between DFB and Commerzbank, so the club could not be blamed for that.
KFC Uerdingen are controlled by Russian investor Mikhail Ponomarev (who used to be a shareholder of ice hockey club Düsseldorfer EG). Some press reports suggest that the money transfer was initially blocked by Commerzbank because it came from a Russian bank account.
Next season, Uerdingen will play all of their home games in the stadium of 2nd level club MSV Duisburg, some 20 km from home. Their traditional home venue, the Grotenburg stadium, is currently unfit for 3rd level football - but the city of Krefeld (Uerdingen is a district of Krefeld) is set to invest €9m into the renovation of that stadium.
Of course Uerdingen are most famous for their 7-3 win against Dynamo Dresden in the 1985/86 Cup Winners' Cup quarter final 2nd leg, after losing the first leg 2-0 and trailing 1-3 at half time in the second leg. That game is still known as the "Wunder von der Grotenburg" in Germany. Wolfgang Funkel scored three goals. His older brother Friedhelm, who also appeared in the starting XI that night, is the current coach of Fortuna Düsseldorf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edEZLgsjn88
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wunder_von_der_Grotenburg
KFC Uerdingen are controlled by Russian investor Mikhail Ponomarev (who used to be a shareholder of ice hockey club Düsseldorfer EG). Some press reports suggest that the money transfer was initially blocked by Commerzbank because it came from a Russian bank account.
Next season, Uerdingen will play all of their home games in the stadium of 2nd level club MSV Duisburg, some 20 km from home. Their traditional home venue, the Grotenburg stadium, is currently unfit for 3rd level football - but the city of Krefeld (Uerdingen is a district of Krefeld) is set to invest €9m into the renovation of that stadium.
Of course Uerdingen are most famous for their 7-3 win against Dynamo Dresden in the 1985/86 Cup Winners' Cup quarter final 2nd leg, after losing the first leg 2-0 and trailing 1-3 at half time in the second leg. That game is still known as the "Wunder von der Grotenburg" in Germany. Wolfgang Funkel scored three goals. His older brother Friedhelm, who also appeared in the starting XI that night, is the current coach of Fortuna Düsseldorf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edEZLgsjn88
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wunder_von_der_Grotenburg
In the end, the average attendance was 44,646 (up from 41,516 last season) - the second highest number ever and the 10th season in a row above 40,000, but the all-time record of 45,116 from the 2011/12 season has not been reached. Interestingly, 16 of 18 clubs were the same as in 2011/12. The only exceptions are Nürnberg and Kaiserslautern who were replaced by Frankfurt and Leipzig.Duketown wrote:Duketown wrote: This season, with Ingolstadt and Darmstadt out and Hannover and Stuttgart in, Bundesliga will have all good clubs in. Fans attendence will be around 45.000 on average.
Just crazy.
2017-18 average attendances (2011-12 in brackets)
1. Dortmund 79,496 (80,521)
2. FC Bayern 75,000 (69,000)
3. FC Schalke 61,297 (61,218)
4. Stuttgart 56,278 (55,090)
5. M'gladbach 50,986 (51,846)
6. Hamburg 50,656 (53,465)
7. Frankfurt 49,159 (--,----)
8. 1.FC Köln 48,776 (47,482)
9. Hertha BSC 45,319 (53,449)
10. Hannover 42,706 (44,826)
11. W.Bremen 40,823 (40,808)
12. RB Leipzig 39,397 (--,---)
13. FSV Mainz 28,766 (32,910)
14. Hoffenheim 28,716 (28,026)
15. Leverkusen 28,415 (28,494)
16. Augsburg 28,238 (30,259)
17. Wolfsburg 25,713 (27,614)
18. Freiburg 23,894 (22,676)
http://www.weltfussball.de/zuschauer/bu ... 17-2018/1/
http://www.weltfussball.de/zuschauer/bu ... 11-2012/1/
Next season, Hamburg and Köln will be replaced by Düsseldorf (capacity: 54,600) and Nürnberg (capacity: 50,000).
Average attendances from lower levels:
2. Bundesliga - 17,584 (down from 21,732 last season which was an all-time record)
3. Liga - 6,181 (up from 5,971 last season)
Regionalliga Südwest - 1,710 (down from 1,754)
Regionalliga West - 1,642 (down from 1,816)
Regionalliga Bayern - 1,427 (up from 765, due to 1860 München who had an average of 11,772)
Regionalliga Nordost - 1,188 (down from 1,286)
Regionalliga Nord - 608 (down from 707)
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75,000 and 69,000. Do Bayern only count in thousands? Or was that their max capacity both times and they sold out every game?
Yes, Bayern have increased their capacity and they're always sold out.
Their last Bundesliga home game without a sell-out crowd was against VfL Bochum on 30th January 2007 (a 0-0 draw on a cold Tuesday night) with an attendance of ~60,000.
Their last Bundesliga home game without a sell-out crowd was against VfL Bochum on 30th January 2007 (a 0-0 draw on a cold Tuesday night) with an attendance of ~60,000.