UEFA European Football Forum

Jackson Harrison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 22:34

amenina wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 21:50

Jackson Harrison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 21:48
They don’t get 3 points for a bye!

By that logic European teams would get 5*3pts for byes for the 5 qualifying rounds!

For confederations other than UEFA, all teams get 3 points for participating in the group stage. Since CONCACAF Champions League/Cup does not have a group stage, the round of 16 is considered the "group stage", so Alajuelense will definitely have at least 3 points for 2024.

1) will UEFA qualifiers be considered?
2) No points for Round 1?

amenina wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 22:49

Jackson Harrison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 22:34

amenina wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 21:50

For confederations other than UEFA, all teams get 3 points for participating in the group stage. Since CONCACAF Champions League/Cup does not have a group stage, the round of 16 is considered the "group stage", so Alajuelense will definitely have at least 3 points for 2024.

1) will UEFA qualifiers be considered?
2) No points for Round 1?

1) No. UEFA qualifies are not considered.
2) No. No match points for round 1. But of course you get 3 points for winning the round 1 tie because you reach round of 16, which is equivalent to the "group stage" of other confederations.

Jackson Harrison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 23:16

amenina wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 22:49

Jackson Harrison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 22:34

1) will UEFA qualifiers be considered?
2) No points for Round 1?

1) No. UEFA qualifies are not considered.
2) No. No match points for round 1. But of course you get 3 points for winning the round 1 tie because you reach round of 16, which is equivalent to the "group stage" of other confederations.

Where did it say it's equivelant of GS?

amenina wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 23:39

Jackson Harrison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 23:16

amenina wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 22:49

1) No. UEFA qualifies are not considered.
2) No. No match points for round 1. But of course you get 3 points for winning the round 1 tie because you reach round of 16, which is equivalent to the "group stage" of other confederations.

Where did it say it's equivelant of GS?

Here:









In the second box on the right, the last line.

For AFC, CAF, CONMEBOL: "Points are allocated as of group stage"

For CONCACAF, "Points are allocated as of Round of 16 being the latest stage into which teams qualify automatically"

amenina wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 19:44 Confederation ranking (updated after matches on 17 February 2024)


AFC (updated after round of 16 first legs)

1 spot to qualify from ranking, 2 spots if Al Hilal win 2023/24 title. No country restriction applicable.

The maximum a team can still win in the rest of tournament is 30 points (21 match points + 9 bonus points)

Here are the 15 teams (not counting Al Hilal) still competing in 2023/24, and they are the only teams that can still qualify.

Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors (KOR) - 75
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Ulsan Hyundai (KOR) - 65
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Kawasaki Frontale (JPN) - 64
Pohang Steelers (KOR) - 55
Al Nassr (KSA) - 52
Yokohama F. Marinos (JPN) - 38
Nasaf (UZB) - 33 (must win title to qualify, since they have to play Al Hilal before final)
Sepahan (IRN) - 26 (must win title to qualify)
Al Ain (UAE) - 22 (must win title to qualify)
Al Ittihad (KSA) - 22 (must win title to qualify)
Shandong Taishan (CHN) - 22 (must win title to qualify)
Bangkok United (THA) - 20 (must win title to qualify)
Navbahor (UZB) - 20 (must win title to qualify)
Ventforet Kofu (JPN) - 17 (must win title to qualify)
Al Fayha (KSA) - 15 (must win title to qualify)


CAF (updated after group stage matchday 4)

1 spot to qualify from ranking, 2 spots if Al Ahly or Wydad win 2023/24 title. No country restriction applicable.

The maximum a team can still win in the rest of tournament is 33 points (24 match points + 9 bonus points); 30 points for the teams already qualified for quarter-finals (since I already add 3 points to them).

Here are the 14 teams (not counting Al Ahly or Wydad) still competing in 2023/24, and they are the only teams that can still qualify.

Note: The points differ from the FIFA table as it did not include 2023/24 matchday 4 results.

Mamelodi Sundowns (RSA) - 84
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ES Tunis (TUN) - 76
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CR Belouizdad (ALG) - 60
Petro de Luanda (ANG) - 50
Simba (TAN) - 48
Al Hilal (SDN) - 34 (must win title to qualify)
TP Mazembe (COD) - 18 (must win title to qualify)
ASEC Mimosas - 16 (must win title to qualify)
Etoile du Sahel (TUN) - 16 (must win title to qualify)
Jwaneng Galaxy - 11 (must win title to qualify)
Young Africans (BOT) - 8 (must win title to qualify)
Medeama (GHA) - 7 (must win title to qualify)
Nouadhibou (MTN) - 7 (must win title to qualify)
Pyramids (EGY) - 7 (must win title to qualify)


CONCACAF (updated after round 1 weeks 1 and 2)

1 spot to qualify from ranking if Monterrey win 2024 title. Mexican teams are not eligible.

The maximum a team can still win in the rest of tournament is 33 points (21 match points + 12 bonus points); 30 points for the teams already qualified for round of 16 (since I already add 3 points to them).

Note: Round 1 results are not counted for match points (since not all teams play in this round), but a team which win a round 1 tie is given 3 bonus points for reaching round of 16.

Here are the 21 teams (not counting Monterrey) still competing in 2024, and they are the only teams that can still qualify.

Philadelphia Union (USA) - 37
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Columbus Crew (USA) - 16
Alajuelense (CRC) - 12
New England Revolution - 9 (their round of 16 tie in 2022 was forfeited by their opponent, if those two matches count as 6 points then they should have 15 points)
Saprissa (CRC) - 7
Orlando City (USA) - 5 (must win title to qualify, since they have to play Monterrey before final)
Herediano (CRC) - 3 (must win title to qualify)
Inter Miami (USA) - 3 (must win title to qualify)
Robinhood (SUR) - 3 (must win title to qualify)
Cavalier (JAM) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Cavalry (CAN) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Cincinnati (USA) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Houston Dynamo (USA) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Independiente (PAN) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Moca (DOM) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Nashville (USA) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
St Louis City (USA) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
America (MEX) - (must win title to qualify)
Chivas Guadalajara (MEX) - (must win title to qualify)
Pachuca (MEX) - (must win title to qualify)
Tigres UANL (MEX) - (must win title to qualify)


CONMEBOL (updated after first round)

2 spots to qualify from ranking, 3 spots if Palmeiras, Flamengo or Fluminense win 2024 title. Brazilian teams are not eligible. Maximum 2 teams per country (including 2024 champions).

The maximum a team can still win in the rest of tournament is 54 points (39 match points + 15 bonus points); 51 points for the teams already qualified for group stage (since I already add 3 points to them).

Note: Preliminary round results are not counted for match points (since not all teams play in this round), but a team which win a round 3 tie is given 3 bonus points for reaching group stage.

Here are the 41 teams (not counting Palmeiras, Flamengo or Fluminense) still competing in 2024, and the two teams that do not compete in 2024 but can still qualify.

Boca Juniors (ARG) - 71 (not competing in 2024)
River Plate (ARG) - 67
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Olimpia (PAR) - 57 (not competing in 2024)
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Independiente del Valle (ECU) - 41
Barcelona (ECU) - 40
Cerro Porteno (PAR) - 40
Nacional (URU) - 40
Libertad (PAR) - 30
The Strongest (BOL) - 30
Estudiantes (ARG) - 30
Atletico Nacional (COL) - 27
Bolivar (BOL) - 27
Talleres (ARG) - 27
Deportivo Tachira (VEN) - 25
Sporting Cristal (PER) - 23
Colo-Colo (CHI) - 19
Always Ready (BOL) - 18
Alianza Lima (PER) - 14
LDU Quito (ECU) - 14
Junior (COL) - 13
Penarol (URU) - 13
Caracas (VEN) - 12
Liverpool (URU) - 10
Universitario (PER) - 10
Cobresal (CHI) - 3 (must win title to qualify)
Huachipato (CHI) - 3 (must win title to qualify)
Millonarios (COL) - 3 (must win title to qualify)
Rosario Central (ARG) - 3 (must win title to qualify)
San Lorenzo (ARG) - 3 (must win title to qualify)
Academia Puerto Cabello (VEN) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Aguilas Dorados (COL) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Aurora (BOL) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
El Nacional (ECU) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Godoy Cruz (ARG) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Nacional (PAR) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Palestino (CHI) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Portuguesa (VEN) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Sportivo Trinidense (PAR) - 0 (must win title to qualify)
Atletico Mineiro (BRA) - (must win title to qualify)
Botafogo (BRA) - (must win title to qualify)
Gremio (BRA) - (must win title to qualify)
Red Bull Bragantino - (must win title to qualify)
Sao Paulo (BRA) - (must win title to qualify)

Jackson Harrison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 19:57

amenina wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 19:44 Confederation ranking (updated after matches on 17 February 2024)

Did you calculate this?

What about UEFA?

amenina wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 20:28

Jackson Harrison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 19:57

amenina wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 19:44 Confederation ranking (updated after matches on 17 February 2024)

Did you calculate this?

What about UEFA?

I calculated myself. I also verified it with the rankings at https://footyrankings.com/cwc/

There are some differences because I don't think they are as updated as mine.

The latest UEFA ranking can be found on this site at https://kassiesa.net/uefa/fifa-club-world-cup-2025.html

Therefore, I don't post it here.

Tazmania wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 19:46 Yes indeed, I was wondering when they would launch something like that.