2023/24 Concacaf Nations League

[amenina]

Results, 17 November

League A: https://www.concacaf.com/nations-league ... st-mexico/

League B: https://www.concacaf.com/nations-league ... nto-first/

[Jackson Harrison]

Quarterfinals explained

Why are losers seeded by Concacaf Ranking but winners by QF ranking? Inconsistent.

[amenina]

Quarterfinals explained

Why are losers seeded by Concacaf Ranking but winners by QF ranking? Inconsistent.

Because they don’t want a situation where Mexico and USA both lose in the quarter-finals and they have to play each other in the Copa America play-off, knocking one of the teams out of the competition.

[amenina]

Fixtures. 18 November

[Jackson Harrison]

Quarterfinals explained

Why are losers seeded by Concacaf Ranking but winners by QF ranking? Inconsistent.

Because they don’t want a situation where Mexico and USA both lose in the quarter-finals and they have to play each other in the Copa America play-off, knocking one of the teams out of the competition.

So corruption then! Why not same system for finals?

[amenina]

Why are losers seeded by Concacaf Ranking but winners by QF ranking? Inconsistent.

Because they don’t want a situation where Mexico and USA both lose in the quarter-finals and they have to play each other in the Copa America play-off, knocking one of the teams out of the competition.

So corruption then! Why not same system for finals?

Because they don’t mind so much if Mexico and USA play in the CNL semi-finals.

CONCACAF’s preferences for their tournaments (Gold Cup, CNL, Copa America), from most important to less important, has always been:
1. Mexico qualify
2. USA qualify
3. Mexico and USA play each other at some stage
4. Mexico and USA play each other in the final

[amirbachar]

Why are losers seeded by Concacaf Ranking but winners by QF ranking? Inconsistent.

Because they don’t want a situation where Mexico and USA both lose in the quarter-finals and they have to play each other in the Copa America play-off, knocking one of the teams out of the competition.

So corruption then! Why not same system for finals?

That's not corruptions - qualifying the best teams to a tournament is always more important than having the best team winning it.
It's the same reason qualifier are 8-10 matches groups and knockout is just one game per round.

[TommyChat]

Quarterfinals explained

Why are losers seeded by Concacaf Ranking but winners by QF ranking? Inconsistent.

Losers play in Copa America playoffs and winners play in CNL semifinals.
On previous CNL editions CONCACAF seeded the CNL semifinalists based on GS record (Best group winner vs Worst group winner) but Gold Cup playoffs based on Concacaf ranking with 1st and 6th, 2nd and 5th, 3rd and 4th in the same path.
They are consistent on not doing something "rediculous" like holding an actual draw.

[Sagy]

Quarterfinals explained

Why are losers seeded by Concacaf Ranking but winners by QF ranking? Inconsistent.

Losers play in Copa America playoffs and winners play in CNL semifinals.
On previous CNL editions CONCACAF seeded the CNL semifinalists based on GS record (Best group winner vs Worst group winner) but Gold Cup playoffs based on Concacaf ranking with 1st and 6th, 2nd and 5th, 3rd and 4th in the same path.
They are consistent on not doing something "rediculous" like holding an actual draw.

They are running it like a business- looking to how to make the most profits. As @amenina stated, CONCACAF main goal is to get both Mexico and USA to the tournament not footballing or sporting criteria. After that their goal is to have the two teams play each other. This means that for playin you want to use long term rankings (Mexico and USA are going to be top 2 and not going to face each other). For NL semis you want to use short term seeding criteria so there is a possibility the two could meet in the semis or in the finals. If you use long term ranking, they could only meet in the finals.

[amenina]

Why are losers seeded by Concacaf Ranking but winners by QF ranking? Inconsistent.

Losers play in Copa America playoffs and winners play in CNL semifinals.
On previous CNL editions CONCACAF seeded the CNL semifinalists based on GS record (Best group winner vs Worst group winner) but Gold Cup playoffs based on Concacaf ranking with 1st and 6th, 2nd and 5th, 3rd and 4th in the same path.
They are consistent on not doing something "rediculous" like holding an actual draw.

They are running it like a business- looking to how to make the most profits. As @amenina stated, CONCACAF main goal is to get both Mexico and USA to the tournament not footballing or sporting criteria. After that their goal is to have the two teams play each other. This means that for playin you want to use long term rankings (Mexico and USA are going to be top 2 and not going to face each other). For NL semis you want to use short term seeding criteria so there is a possibility the two could meet in the semis or in the finals. If you use long term ranking, they could only meet in the finals.

To clarify, obviously CONCACAF don't want Mexico and USA to play each other, say, in the group stage of the Gold Cup. Actually the Gold Cup knockout stage have always been designed to have a Mexico-USA final, to maximize the potential revenue. Whether both eventually make it is of course another matter (so far in all tournaments at least one of them have made it).

For CNL, they have at least mixed it up a bit, and use something other than the CONCACAF "long-term" ranking to decide the seeding. I guess their calculation is that, even if Mexico and USA are to play each other in the semi-finals (like what happened in 2023), it is not such as bad idea. This is because all four games are played at the same venue, so the Mexico and USA fans will likely buy tickets in advance for both days (Day 1: semi-finals; Day 2: third place match and final), even if the final is not necessarily Mexico vs USA.

For Copa America, the most important thing for CONCACAF is to get the strongest teams to the tournament. So of course they want to get both Mexico and USA to the final tournament. By seeding the play-offs using the CONCACAF "long-term" ranking other than the "short-term" quarter-final ranking, you get "better" matchups. Let's stay the quarter-final losers are Mexico, Costa Rica, Jamaica, and Trinidad and Tobago (assuming the first leg winners all eventually win the tie), then you get the play-off matchups being Mexico vs T&T, and Costa Rica vs Jamaica, which of course is better for CONCACAF than say having Mexico play Costa Rica or Jamaica in the play-off.

[amenina]

Canada won away at Jamaica 2-1, their first win there since 1988, so they are only 90 minutes away from their first ever participation in the Copa America.

[Jackson Harrison]

Why are losers seeded by Concacaf Ranking but winners by QF ranking? Inconsistent.

Losers play in Copa America playoffs and winners play in CNL semifinals.
On previous CNL editions CONCACAF seeded the CNL semifinalists based on GS record (Best group winner vs Worst group winner) but Gold Cup playoffs based on Concacaf ranking with 1st and 6th, 2nd and 5th, 3rd and 4th in the same path.
They are consistent on not doing something "rediculous" like holding an actual draw.

They are running it like a business- looking to how to make the most profits. As @amenina stated, CONCACAF main goal is to get both Mexico and USA to the tournament not footballing or sporting criteria. After that their goal is to have the two teams play each other. This means that for playin you want to use long term rankings (Mexico and USA are going to be top 2 and not going to face each other). For NL semis you want to use short term seeding criteria so there is a possibility the two could meet in the semis or in the finals. If you use long term ranking, they could only meet in the finals.

Why won't they want them in Final? Bet they hated when they met in SF NL 23!

[amenina]

Losers play in Copa America playoffs and winners play in CNL semifinals.
On previous CNL editions CONCACAF seeded the CNL semifinalists based on GS record (Best group winner vs Worst group winner) but Gold Cup playoffs based on Concacaf ranking with 1st and 6th, 2nd and 5th, 3rd and 4th in the same path.
They are consistent on not doing something "rediculous" like holding an actual draw.

They are running it like a business- looking to how to make the most profits. As @amenina stated, CONCACAF main goal is to get both Mexico and USA to the tournament not footballing or sporting criteria. After that their goal is to have the two teams play each other. This means that for playin you want to use long term rankings (Mexico and USA are going to be top 2 and not going to face each other). For NL semis you want to use short term seeding criteria so there is a possibility the two could meet in the semis or in the finals. If you use long term ranking, they could only meet in the finals.

Why won't they want them in Final? Bet they hated when they met in SF NL 23!

As I said, while CONCACAF's preference is for them to play each other in the CNL final, if they play each other in the CNL semi-final it is also not too bad. If Mexico and USA are in different semi-finals, there is a chance one of them will lose (nowadays with Mexico being weaker than ever, and teams like Canada and Panama rising in strength, this chance is getting higher), so they don't get any Mexico vs USA match (of course if both lose, they will play each other in the third-place match, but the importance of that match is quite low).

[Sagy]

Losers play in Copa America playoffs and winners play in CNL semifinals.
On previous CNL editions CONCACAF seeded the CNL semifinalists based on GS record (Best group winner vs Worst group winner) but Gold Cup playoffs based on Concacaf ranking with 1st and 6th, 2nd and 5th, 3rd and 4th in the same path.
They are consistent on not doing something "rediculous" like holding an actual draw.

They are running it like a business- looking to how to make the most profits. As @amenina stated, CONCACAF main goal is to get both Mexico and USA to the tournament not footballing or sporting criteria. After that their goal is to have the two teams play each other. This means that for playin you want to use long term rankings (Mexico and USA are going to be top 2 and not going to face each other). For NL semis you want to use short term seeding criteria so there is a possibility the two could meet in the semis or in the finals. If you use long term ranking, they could only meet in the finals.

Why won't they want them in Final? Bet they hated when they met in SF NL 23!

Some fans must have hated it. CONCACAF didn’t have a problem with it. The proof is that they didn’t change the system.

It’s not that they don’t want them to play in the finals, it’s that they want them to play each other. If the semis are using long term ranking than they can only meet in the finals. If short term ranking are used they might meet in the semi finals (good since fans of both teams will buy tickets to the semi (to see the match up) and the finals (to see their team). If they are in different semis, they are no worse than the “long term” case.

[amenina]

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Concacaf Statement

Today’s 23/24 CNL League B match between Bahamas and Guyana, scheduled to be played at Estadio Olímpico Félix Sánchez, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, has been postponed due to the adverse weather conditions affecting the area.

Concacaf officials have been in ongoing communication with the referees and both teams. A decision has been made to reschedule the match and it will be played tomorrow, Sunday, November 19, at 10:00 am ET (11:00 am local time).