Polish Football Season 2023/24

[Bulgarian]

I was just checking the standings today and saw both Legia and Rakow are out of Europe. I already see @Greyn’s thoughts so im interested what the other polish members think. Are you pessimistic too?

I can speak for myself, but is there any other option? The positions in the standings are not the most worrying. All top teams look dreadful, they not only lose, but also play much worse than teams being at the bottom... For instance, it was not by chance that Lech lost to Puszcza or Ruch. They were lucky to win vs ŁKS and I'm serious here. Similar things can be said about Legia, Raków, Pogoń, but also Śląsk, Górnik and Jagiellonia. We had some crazy seasons here, but this is beyond imagination.

So its not looking good for the summer as of now it seems.

[Bulgarian]

Well done Kapustka, with a little help from the referee.

I will “join you in congratulating” Kapustka. He costed me some good money today

[Juliusz]

I was just checking the standings today and saw both Legia and Rakow are out of Europe. I already see @Greyn’s thoughts so im interested what the other polish members think. Are you pessimistic too?

I can speak for myself, but is there any other option? The positions in the standings are not the most worrying. All top teams look dreadful, they not only lose, but also play much worse than teams being at the bottom... For instance, it was not by chance that Lech lost to Puszcza or Ruch. They were lucky to win vs ŁKS and I'm serious here. Similar things can be said about Legia, Raków, Pogoń, but also Śląsk, Górnik and Jagiellonia. We had some crazy seasons here, but this is beyond imagination.

So its not looking good for the summer as of now it seems.

Judging by the present time it isn't, but I can't predict what happens in two or three months. Many clubs will carry out a lot of changes because of two contradictory reasons - after either a successful or unsuccessful season.

Anyway, none of our teams is trustworthy now and I feel like we stepped some years back.

[Firnen]

It would be the most Poland thing to end up with Jagellonia, Slask, Gornik and Pogon (or even 2nd division Wisla) in Europe and inevitably stop their rise in the ranking because all the teams would be unseeded everywhere, and pay for how competitive their league is.

I think Lech will be top 3 with Slask and Jagellonia, but Gornik is still in it for the ultimate minnow top 3 + Wisla

[Bulgarian]

Jagiellonia with a very good schedule.

[Greyn]

Recent results proved that "a very good schedule" might be a tricky term. We will see.

Śląsk, despite being the only winner from the top this week, are really, really poor. They rely mainly on Erik Exposito and his individual skills. What is more scary, he already made a decision to leave the club after the end of this season. So this poor Śląsk will be even poorer in case they qualify for Europe.

2nd division Wisła winning the Polish Cup is a quite nice story, but also some sign of weakness of this league.

I agree with @Juliusz - "Anyway, none of our teams is trustworthy now and I feel like we stepped some years back."

[Juliusz]

'Good schedule' doesn't exist here.

'Good schedule' Lech vs Puszcza, ŁKS and Ruch - lucky 3 points.
'Good schedule' Raków vs Puszcza, Korona, ŁKS and Ruch - 6 points.
'Good schedule' Legia vs Ruch, Puszcza and Korona - 5 points.

'Bad schedule' Cracovia vs Jagiellonia, Lech, Górnik - 7 points.
'Bad schedule' Ruch vs Pogoń, Widzew, Śląsk, Lech - 6 points.
'Bad schedule' Puszcza vs Raków, Śląsk, Radomiak, Ruch, Lech - 7 points and no defeat.

'Good schedule' Jagiellonia until the end of the season: Korona (home), Piast (away), Warta (home).

Korona and Warta have still something to play for. Maybe Warta will be safe on last matchday, but now it looks like the next match vs Korona will be extremely tough for Jagiellonia. But I wouldn't bet on them vs Piast or Warta either.

[Greyn]

If Lech will have a chance to overtake Jagiellonia on the last MD, Warta will also fight like lions vs Jagiellonia, even in case of being safe.

[Bulgarian]

If Lech will have a chance to overtake Jagiellonia on the last MD, Warta will also fight like lions vs Jagiellonia, even in case of being safe.

Arent they city rivals?

[Greyn]

If Lech will have a chance to overtake Jagiellonia on the last MD, Warta will also fight like lions vs Jagiellonia, even in case of being safe.

Arent they city rivals?

Nope, it is exactly the opposite. They are like two brothers with Lech being older brother and Warta a kid brother. Warta in Ekstraklasa is a delivery of free points for Lech.

Since Warta has returned to Ekstraklasa, both clubs played 8 times.

20.09.20 Lech - Warta 1:0 - odds for Lech to win @1.7
26.02.21 Warta - Lech 1-2 - @1.85
28.11.21 Lech - Warta 2-0 - @1.27
14.05.22 Warta - Lech 1-2 - @1.40
18.09.22 Warta - Lech 0-1 - @1.95
08.04.23 Lech - Warta 2-0 - @1.70
17.09.23 Warta - Lech 0-2 - @1.82
15.03.24 Lech - Warta 2-0 - @1.67

Bookie odds for Lech to win 8/8 matches - @56.34

[Greyn]

A bit of statistics, which confirm that no matter who win the championship title this year, it will be the weakest Polish champion in recent times.

Polish champions and average point per match:

23/24 Jagiellonia Białystok - current leaders - 1.8 point/match (max possible - 1.91)

22/23: Raków Częstochowa - 2,2

21/22: Lech Poznań - 2,17

20/21: Legia Warszawa - 2,13

19/20: Legia Warszawa - 1,86

18/19: Piast Gliwice - 1,94

17/18: Legia Warszawa - 1,89

16/17: Legia Warszawa - 1,97

15/16: Legia Warszawa - 1,97

14/15: Lech Poznań - 1,89

13/14: Legia Warszawa - 2,18

12/13: Legia Warszawa - 2,23

11/12: Śląsk Wrocław - 1,86

10/11: Wisła Kraków - 1,86

09/10: Lech Poznań - 2,16

08/09: Wisła Kraków - 2,13

07/08: Wisła Kraków - 2,56

06/07: Zagłębie Lubin - 2,06

05/06: Legia Warszawa - 2,2

04/05: Wisła Kraków - 2,38

03/04: Wisła Kraków - 2,5

02/03: Wisła Kraków - 2,26

01/02: Legia Warszawa - 1,96

00/01: Wisła Kraków - 2,06

Let's see how Polish league looks in this regard in Europe:

Wales - 2,875 point/match

Turkey - 2,750

The Netherlands - 2,710

Gibraltar - 2,660

Germany - 2,652

San Marino - 2,630

Portugal - 2,625

Andorra - 2,560

Spain - 2,550

Italy - 2,540

Czechia - 2,540

Serbia - 2,540

Ukraine - 2,480

Bulgaria - 2,450

Scotland - 2,400

BiH - 2,400

N. Ireland - 2,360

Slovakia - 2,330

Israel - 2,320

England - 2,300

Azerbaijan - 2,300

Hungary - 2,290

Luxembourg - 2,290

Croatia - 2,270

France - 2,250

Armenia - 2,210

Greece - 2,200

Slovenia - 2,200

Romania - 2,180

Austria - 2,100

Kosovo - 2,060

Cyprus - 2,050

Switzerland - 2,000

Denmark- 2,000

Moldova - 2,000

North Macedonia - 1,960

Belgium - 1,900

Montenegro - 1,840

Poland - 1,800

Albania - 1,760

[Bulgarian]

Damn 2.56 mustve been a monster season for Wisla.

[Juliusz]

Matchday 31

League table


Results

Cracovia - Górnik Zabrze 5:0
Patryk Makuch 4', Rafał Janicki 42' (own goal), Otar Kakabadze 53', Kamil Glik 68', Jani Atanasov 85'
Attendance: 12 347

Ruch Chorzów - Lech Poznań 2:1
Daniel Szczepan 24', Michał Feliks 84' - Mikael Ishak 27' (penalty)
Attendance: 14 718

ŁKS - Śląsk Wrocław 1:2
Dani Ramírez 53' (penalty) - Yehor Matsenko 71', Piotr Samiec-Talar 76'
Attendance: 7186

Zagłębie Lubin - Raków Częstochowa 2:0
Kacper Chodyna 41', Juan Muñoz 87'
Attendance: 5871

Stal Mielec - Jagiellonia Białystok 3:2
Ilya Shkurin 35', Mateusz Matras 48', Łukasz Gerstenstein 54' - Nené 12', Afimico Pululu 75'
Attendance: 6358

Warta Poznań - Widzew Łódź 2:1
Andrejs Cigaņiks 9' (own goal), Mateusz Kupczak 12' - Jordi Sánchez 44'
Attendance: 3274

Korona Kielce - Piast Gliwice 1:1
Adrián Dalmau 62' (penalty) - Michael Ameyaw 28'
Attendance: 12 282

Legia Warszawa - Radomiak Radom 0:3
Lisandro Semedo 66', Vágner Dias 73', Luka Vušković 79'
Attendance: 26 326

Pogoń Szczecin - Puszcza Niepołomice 1:0
Leonárdo Koútris 53'
Attendance: 13 525

Top scorers:
17 - Erik Expósito (Śląsk Wrocław)
15 - Ilya Shkurin (Stal Mielec)
12 - Kamil Grosicki, Efthýmis Kouloúris (both Pogoń Szczecin)
11 - Dawid Kurminowski (Zagłębie Lubin)
10 - Jesús Imaz, Afimico Pululu, Bartłomiej Wdowik (all Jagiellonia Białystok), Mikael Ishak (Lech Poznań), Daniel Szczepan (Ruch Chorzów)

I've really had enough of this season. Teams from the bottom deserve their credit for beating favourites and being better than them on the pitch. But I really suffer watching Lech, Legia or Raków... Pogoń managed to overcome Puszcza in an atmosphere of a funeral after the cup final. The only other team from the top to win was Śląsk, who were behind against relegated ŁKS anyway...

So the only thing decided mathematically is relegation of ŁKS itself. Also the only team that has mathematically nothing to play for is Widzew. Stal and Zagłębie could be relegated, but realistically should be safe.

Next week, Raków face Pogoń and Lech host Legia. It's not difficult to predict two dull draws there. At least we know that a minimum of two teams from top 7 will collect some points...

A report from I liga. Lechia is one point away from coming back to Ekstraklasa after just one year. Meanwhile, Wisła Kraków drew to last placed and relegated since weeks Zagłębie Sosnowiec... Wisła won the point in 90th minute and had a penalty in the added time, which was sent way over the bar. Currently they are on the last play-off place and will face Lechia next week.

[Greyn]

Damn 2.56 mustve been a monster season for Wisla.

They won the title with a record of W:24-D:7-L:1 and a 14-point advantage over 2nd placed Legia.

In the following season in Europe they were eliminated by Barcelona in the CLQ and Tottenham in the UEFA Cup Round 1.

Despite having such an impressive record in the Ekstraklasa, it was not the strongest Wisła in this century. Wisła had their best team at the beginning of this century, coached by Henryk Kasperczak, with Żurawski, Frankowski, Szymkowiak, Głowacki, Sobolewski, Kosowski, Uche and so on. They managed to eliminate teams like Schalke, Parma or Real Saragossa in that period, but their real potential was never fully used in Europe for some reason.

[mieszambeton]

I wish it was possible to use a wildcard, exclude a nation from next year from eu cups and freeze coefficent for one year..
This will be a disaster. 2nd tier club + Out of Legia/Lech/Rakow is likely max 1 to qualify (or maybe 0) and even if so, they are all total disaster at the moment.
Jagiellonia and Slask will lose important players and focus on avoiding relegation next year. Erasmus Wisla will probably lose 4 matches. Very very bad...