2023-24 Champions League: Play-off round

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Lubomir25 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:19
Tazmania wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:15
Michael S Collins wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:02 Better for the Scottish coefficient to have Rangers in the EL imo.
But they lose the coefficient bonus points available in CL plus there is still the possibility of finishing third in CL group stage and qualifying for the EL PO round in February.
Depends on the draw again, Rangers could have got City, Madrid and Newcastle
You can't draw two English teams.
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Glasgow Central wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:20
Lubomir25 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:19
Tazmania wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:15
But they lose the coefficient bonus points available in CL plus there is still the possibility of finishing third in CL group stage and qualifying for the EL PO round in February.
Depends on the draw again, Rangers could have got City, Madrid and Newcastle
You can't draw two English teams.
Just edited City for PSG
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Dragonite wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:14
matt wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 22:40 The betting community is not so stupid after all :wink1:
Even a broken clock is right twice per day.

You think they were right this time because they knew a lot about Rangers (new manager, half the squad is new, self-confidence is low after 0-0-6, compared to one year ago when they were the EL vice-champions, probably relieved to go to a competition where they have a success rate of 100% advancing from groups instead of another where they have 10%)?

Or they knew nothing about Rangers and their "default" is just "worse neighbours that couldn't even win the home match will lose away"?

I think it was the second. :wink:
Why are you talking about yourself as "a broken clock"? Ahhh, because you are almost always wrong, got it!
When your "75-25" loses 5-1, you could, at least, keep it quiet?
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Lubomir25 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:17
Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:16
Lubomir25 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:16

Ye but there's no "easy" draws to be fair. PSV humped rangers and Feyenoord are supposedly better than them
But Rangers better than Celtic!
I'm assuming you got that the wrong way round based on last season's performance
Got it wrong way round and then swapped it. Based on this season I got it right 1st time. Won't Scotland benefit more coefficient wise having Rangers in EL than CL?
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Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:23
Lubomir25 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:17
Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:16
But Rangers better than Celtic!
I'm assuming you got that the wrong way round based on last season's performance
Got it wrong way round and then swapped it. Based on this season I got it right 1st time. Won't Scotland benefit more coefficient wise having Rangers in EL than CL?
Hopefully but this Rangers team aren't as good as the past 2 seasons IMO. Also they could get Liverpool again 👀
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Panathinaikos - Braga 61,390
Galatasaray - Molde 47,845
Copenhagen - Raków 34,737
PSV - Rangers 34,560
Young Boys - M. Haifa 31,500
AEK Athens - Antwerp 29,t300
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Overgame wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:23 Why are you talking about yourself as "a broken clock"? Ahhh, because you are almost always wrong, got it!
When your "75-25" loses 5-1, you could, at least, keep it quiet?
Your "postdictions" are awesome.

Looking at the previous 9 meetings, with 4 wins for Rangers, 4 draws and just 1 PSV win, there was no evidence that PSV was 3x more likely to advance than Rangers.
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Dragonite wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:32
Overgame wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:23 Why are you talking about yourself as "a broken clock"? Ahhh, because you are almost always wrong, got it!
When your "75-25" loses 5-1, you could, at least, keep it quiet?
Your "postdictions" are awesome.

Looking at the previous 9 meetings, with 4 wins for Rangers, 4 draws and just 1 PSV win, there was no evidence that PSV was 3x more likely to advance than Rangers.
You were basing that on some results from 12 years ago though. Hardly scientific.
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Lubomir25 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:25
Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:23
Lubomir25 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:17

I'm assuming you got that the wrong way round based on last season's performance
Got it wrong way round and then swapped it. Based on this season I got it right 1st time. Won't Scotland benefit more coefficient wise having Rangers in EL than CL?
Hopefully but this Rangers team aren't as good as the past 2 seasons IMO. Also they could get Liverpool again 👀
Will they be pot 1 or 2?
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Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:35
Lubomir25 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:25
Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:23

Got it wrong way round and then swapped it. Based on this season I got it right 1st time. Won't Scotland benefit more coefficient wise having Rangers in EL than CL?
Hopefully but this Rangers team aren't as good as the past 2 seasons IMO. Also they could get Liverpool again 👀
Will they be pot 1 or 2?
2

Unless Ajax go out, which is highly unlikely.
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Dragonite wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:32
Overgame wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:23 Why are you talking about yourself as "a broken clock"? Ahhh, because you are almost always wrong, got it!
When your "75-25" loses 5-1, you could, at least, keep it quiet?
Your "postdictions" are awesome.

Looking at the previous 9 meetings, with 4 wins for Rangers, 4 draws and just 1 PSV win, there was no evidence that PSV was 3x more likely to advance than Rangers.
You are so obsessed with the past. Past achievements/failure are no indication of the current situation of teams.
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rpo.castro wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 20:54 Past week Pana was "superb" in first week when all they did was prevent Braga to play, creating 0 chances or shots on target. That was the definition of great.

Yesterday Pana was "better"
11 shots vs 19 shots, 2vs6 on target, a lot more action on Pana midfield, Brignoli, the Pana GK was the best player on the field (7.2 by goalpoint), Djalló was the best from Braga 6.9 but yeah right, Pana was better.
And that penalty not given by charge against Andre Horta in first half? Not a mention?
Sporar could have scored in Braga? Same way Braga could have made the 3-0 and killed the tie.

This wasn't a win for each tie. Or a win and a draw. Two wins for the same team, the team that was better on theory (ranking, experience) and was better on the field on 180 minutes and created more, better chances and scored more. Our efficiency is higher? Yes. We had Sporar on a 6 month loan and said goodbye to him. Fortunately he keeps playing against us
Bla bla bla Dragonite stats.
A weak shot on target is a better stat than a nearly missed shot who goes inches out.
All you need to know about how useless such arguments are.
Braga was better in the first leg, Panathinaikos was better yesterday.
Braga scored their chances, Panathinaikos didn't.
End of story.

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Braga qualify in pain for the Champions League group stage

Manhandled on the lawn of Panathinaikos, Braga still won thanks to a late goal (1-0) and will play in the group stage of the Champions League.
After knocking down Olympique de Marseille in the third round of qualifying for the Champions League group stage, Panathinaikos was not far from foiling the odds again against Braga. As in the first leg (2-1) , the Greeks, led by an untenable Sebastian Palacios on his right wing, jostled a Portuguese team carried forward but leaving a lot of space behind their back.

Artur Jorge's men must have been happy to see the scoreboard still blank at the break. Panathinaikos dominated the first half and could have unlocked the game if they had shown more realism in front of goal, like Fotis Ioannidis, too short on the cross from Palacios (18th), and Georgios Vagiannidis , whose head was diverted by a tap from Matheus Magalhaes (45th).

Upon returning from the locker room, the match seemed to start on the same basis with a new decisive stoppage by the Brazilian goalkeeper against Palacios (54th). But Braga was able to turn around, before breaking free thanks to a perfectly negotiated and concluded counter by Armindo Bruma (0-1, 83rd).

Carried by an Olympic Stadium in fusion, Panathinaikos continued to push and were not far from equalizing in stride on a triple opportunity (86th). Guilty of a dangerous tackle in added time, Juankar Perez let his partners finish the game at 10 and could only see the elimination of his team from the locker room.
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Glasgow Central wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:36
Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:35
Lubomir25 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:25

Hopefully but this Rangers team aren't as good as the past 2 seasons IMO. Also they could get Liverpool again 👀
Will they be pot 1 or 2?
2

Unless Ajax go out, which is highly unlikely.
Weird Ajax not been in CL!
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Overgame wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:23
Dragonite wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:14
matt wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 22:40 The betting community is not so stupid after all :wink1:
Even a broken clock is right twice per day.

You think they were right this time because they knew a lot about Rangers (new manager, half the squad is new, self-confidence is low after 0-0-6, compared to one year ago when they were the EL vice-champions, probably relieved to go to a competition where they have a success rate of 100% advancing from groups instead of another where they have 10%)?

Or they knew nothing about Rangers and their "default" is just "worse neighbours that couldn't even win the home match will lose away"?

I think it was the second. :wink:
Why are you talking about yourself as "a broken clock"? Ahhh, because you are almost always wrong, got it!
When your "75-25" loses 5-1, you could, at least, keep it quiet?
Real life doesn't care about stubborn history stats.
fewer spots :arrow: weaker leagues :arrow: fewer spots :arrow: weaker leagues :arrow: fewer spots :arrow: weaker leagues

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Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:39
Glasgow Central wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:36
Jackson Harrison wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 23:35

Will they be pot 1 or 2?
2

Unless Ajax go out, which is highly unlikely.
Weird Ajax not been in CL!
A bad season last season saw them finish 3rd for the first time since 2009
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