I'll explain.naaba wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 16:04 And I don't know in what world you see Besiktas with better CL or EL results than Brugge ?
Besiktas made it once to CL-R2, just as Brugge.
Besiktas made it once to EL-QF, just as Brugge.
And last time they met, Brugge won twice.
Last time Besiktas met a Belgian club (Genk), they could only take 1 point in 2 matches.
Last time Brugge met a Turkish club (Galatasaray), they finished ahead of them.
Besiktas played the CL 8 times and progressed from the group stage once, in their 7th attempt, in 2017/2018.
Club Brugge played the CL 10 times and progressed from the group stages once, in their 10th attempt, in 2022/2023.
So Club Brugge needed more time and more attempts to do it.
Club Brugge CL record is 14-17-31, 0.95 PPG
Besiktas CL record is 13-9-28, 0.96 PPG
So it's very similar, Club Brugge has more points but Besiktas has a higher PPG
Bestikas played the EL 7 times and reached the quarterfinals once, in their 5th attempt in 2016/2017.
Club Brugge played the EL 9 times and reached the quarterfinals once, in their 5th attempt in 2014/2015.
So again Besiktas did it with fewer attempts (although Club Brugge did it two years before them).
Besiktas EL record is 22-9-21, 1.44 PPG
Club Brugge EL record is 17-16-19, 1.29 PPG
So Besiktas has more points and a higher PPG than Club Brugge
These CL results are from 1992/1993 to 2022/2023, so 31 seasons.
These EL results are from 2009/2010 to 2022/2023, so 14 seasons.
If the "Turkish way" represented by Besiktas was so much worse than the "Belgian way" represented by Club Brugge, these numbers should support it, and they don't.
Interesting "coincidence"
Besiktas advanced from a CL group in 2017/2018 alongside Porto, eliminating Leipzig and Monaco.
Club Brugge advanced from a CL group in 2022/2023 alongside Porto, eliminating Leverkusen and Atlético.
According to some people, these results are a violation of the laws of nature, "bottom bottom" teams aren't supposed to finish above "top top" teams.