CL Revenue Distribution

[xavier_]

This is indeed the same thing I posted somewhere recently. The top 4 in Portugal profit a lot but forget to develop the rest of their league. In Netherlands it appears to be more solidarity and more league development. The Conference league ackowledges much more than the Europa league did the depth-strength of a league.

Will the new system keep on doing this?
Will the Portuguese league discuss this issue?
Don’t know, but interesting to see where it goes……

Unfornatelly the centralization has been a dormant topic for at least 10 years in Portugal. As you can imagine this discussion is framed around the Big 3, its immediate effect and how such measure would impact their earnings. This of course does not frame the overall vision of the the access the the CL of Fifa CWC. Most media does not really pay attention to the ranking, only when they realize that there are only 2 spots available for the CL. Even this year, while more attention is being paid to the ranking and France and Netherlands performances, once again it's a topic that comes as secondary or even terciary.

By 2025/26 the FPF will have to present a law proposal for the rights centralization measure, but this same proposal can be rejected by the then government in place and the national Portuguese authority. The football connection to the Portuguese politicians is quite big, so it will depend on the lobby of the big 3.

The discussed amount of the potential contract will around 250 million to 500 million.

The talked implementation would be by the season of 2028/2029. So its potential benefits on the ranking will only be seen in the 2030's... which by then where will Portugal be in the ranking.

[amirbachar]

This is indeed the same thing I posted somewhere recently. The top 4 in Portugal profit a lot but forget to develop the rest of their league. In Netherlands it appears to be more solidarity and more league development. The Conference league ackowledges much more than the Europa league did the depth-strength of a league.

Will the new system keep on doing this?
Will the Portuguese league discuss this issue?
Don’t know, but interesting to see where it goes……

Unfornatelly the centralization has been a dormant topic for at least 10 years in Portugal. As you can imagine this discussion is framed around the Big 3, its immediate effect and how such measure would impact their earnings. This of course does not frame the overall vision of the the access the the CL of Fifa CWC. Most media does not really pay attention to the ranking, only when they realize that there are only 2 spots available for the CL. Even this year, while more attention is being paid to the ranking and France and Netherlands performances, once again it's a topic that comes as secondary or even terciary.

By 2025/26 the FPF will have to present a law proposal for the rights centralization measure, but this same proposal can be rejected by the then government in place and the national Portuguese authority. The football connection to the Portuguese politicians is quite big, so it will depend on the lobby of the big 3.

The discussed amount of the potential contract will around 250 million to 500 million.

The talked implementation would be by the season of 2028/2029. So its potential benefits on the ranking will only be seen in the 2030's... which by then where will Portugal be in the ranking.

By then I'm not sure there would even be a ranking to be honest. They reacted way too late, they should have been pro-active.

[Ricardo]

Well, they have been doing quite well last years, so I won’t be afraid that they will lose a lot of ground. But to attack France for 5th I think it is a necessary step.

[rpo.castro]

The centralization of tv rights is a hoax.
Its was said to big three that they weren't to receive less, but the smaller clubs would get more. That they would get more money with tv deals.

This is just stupid, because last tv deal was way over the market price, our quality hasn't increased and some countries stopped broadcasting portuguese league. And also external market isn't in that direction.
Premier league deal is less than the previous if you take inflation in consideration.

So its just promisses and promisses.

You have benfica with more than 40M/year in tv rights, plus CL money, plus CWC cup and than most clubs have 1,5M tv deals and small sponsors to make to 3,5M yearly budget.

Sporting that is way below porto and benfica is still 3 times the budget of Braga. This league destiny its to fail

[babaluj1]

This is indeed the same thing I posted somewhere recently. The top 4 in Portugal profit a lot but forget to develop the rest of their league. In Netherlands it appears to be more solidarity and more league development. The Conference league ackowledges much more than the Europa league did the depth-strength of a league.

Will the new system keep on doing this?
Will the Portuguese league discuss this issue?
Don’t know, but interesting to see where it goes……

Yeah, if the Portuguese were smart and do Centralized TV Deal, even 20M Euros more to teams ranked 5-7 would be huge.
Even without Centralized deal, simply subsidizing them would help the league and their own interests in the long term.
It will be really hard for both Porto and Benfica to qualify for Fifa CWC in the upcoming cycle.

The Portuguese should have thought earlier and even a couple of years ago allowed additional earnings to the clubs in 5th and 6th place. This is not good for them, there is a high probability that they will drop a few more places in the coming years. As a result, their earnings will be cut in half, and their path to CL will be even more difficult. It is visible this season that the Belgians, Turks and Czechs win far higher coefficients than Portugal. The same applies to France and the Netherlands.

[nogomet]

Sorry if this has been discussed already, but do we know any concrete numbers on what is the minimum financial reward each club will earn by qualifying for the league phase of the new CL/EL/ECL? Or at least the increase in percentages relative to the amounts this season?

[Tazmania]

No, not yet. According to this media release from last September, Full details of the new [distribution] system will be disclosed as soon as the technical work has concluded.

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/02 ... ropean-fo/

However, you will find the global figures of page 13 of the new UEFA-ECA MoU.

[bert.kassies]

This picture (from UEFA Club Finance and Investment Landscape Report) tells it all.

[Jackson Harrison]

This picture (from UEFA Club Finance and Investment Landscape Report) tells it all.

Interesting!

[Juliusz]

Financial distribution details from 2024/25 season: https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/02 ... _13_en.pdf

[amirbachar]

Financial distribution details from 2024/25 season: https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/02 ... _13_en.pdf

Much more equal distribution between countries.
For example in total English teams will receive on average based on their TV payment (36+35+34+33+32)/666×0.75×0.5×0.3 of the money, which is only about 0.028 of the total prize money, and that's even with 5 teams, if they have 4 it will be only about 0.023.
Not sure about the previous number for the market pool payment, but it used to much more.
The rest is based on coefficients and performance (about 21M guaranteed for any team of course).

Explanation for the calculation:
Share per team - 32 to 36
Total shares - 360
Value pool divided into European and international - 0.75
European Value pool considers both coefficients and country market equally - 0.5
Share of Value pool out of the total - 0.3

[TommyChat]

Financial distribution details from 2024/25 season: https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/02 ... _13_en.pdf

Much more equal distribution between countries.
For example in total English teams will receive on average based on their TV payment (36+35+34+33+32)/666×0.75×0.5×0.3 of the money, which is only about 0.028 of the total prize money, and that's even with 5 teams, if they have 4 it will be only about 0.023.
Not sure about the previous number for the market pool payment, but it used to much more.
The rest is based on coefficients and performance (about 21M guaranteed for any team of course).

Explanation for the calculation:
Share per team - 32 to 36
Total shares - 360
Value pool divided into European and international - 0.75
European Value pool considers both coefficients and country market equally - 0.5
Share of Value pool out of the total - 0.3

The 0.5 for coefficient/market as equal is not that accurate. A team can be ranked 31st on coefficient and 33rd on country market and be ranked 36th overall and get just one share if those lower than them in one ranking are much higher in the other. The same applies for a team e.g. 2nd and 3rd getting 1st on average, if no one else is better then 1st and 5th.

[Fotcalc]

That is correct @TommyChat. Here is an example of Malmö FF getting 26,5 ranking points for the European part ranking. However, that doesn't mean that they are ranked 26th or 27th. Here i have them at 29th.

[amirbachar]

Financial distribution details from 2024/25 season: https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/02 ... _13_en.pdf

Much more equal distribution between countries.
For example in total English teams will receive on average based on their TV payment (36+35+34+33+32)/666×0.75×0.5×0.3 of the money, which is only about 0.028 of the total prize money, and that's even with 5 teams, if they have 4 it will be only about 0.023.
Not sure about the previous number for the market pool payment, but it used to much more.
The rest is based on coefficients and performance (about 21M guaranteed for any team of course).

Explanation for the calculation:
Share per team - 32 to 36
Total shares - 360
Value pool divided into European and international - 0.75
European Value pool considers both coefficients and country market equally - 0.5
Share of Value pool out of the total - 0.3

The 0.5 for coefficient/market as equal is not that accurate. A team can be ranked 31st on coefficient and 33rd on country market and be ranked 36th overall and get just one share if those lower than them in one ranking are much higher in the other. The same applies for a team e.g. 2nd and 3rd getting 1st on average, if no one else is better then 1st and 5th.

I know, but It's true in expectancy.

[Clockingbell]

I don't think money will be earned more equally. Firstly because UEFA seems to favor the big countries, where the most money is made, and they want to fight off SL aspirations. Secondly, the new system favors the big markets by also giving new clubs from big countries a high placement. The coefficient bonus, used in the last seasons, which of course had it its flaws, gave clubs from the Netherlands, Portugal and the likes of Salzburg and Sjachtar the possibility to compete financially and get some financial guarantees. When their market size is counted, their share will be less on average, I think.