Battles for important ranking positions

[nogomet]

Instead of having separate topics for battles for 6th, 11th, 13th, 15th and all other ranking positions, I think it makes sense to merge all battles into one topic.

Especially since this year's competitions will decide the entrants for the brand new access list (2021-22) that features a new third competition. Thus, some new battles will emerge.

For instance, 14th place becomes really important as it guarantees at least two group stage spots (because EL2-TH spot will not be used in 2021-22). Until now, 14th place didn't guarantee a single GS spot, and country ranked 14th could have been left without a single club by the end of August. Quite a big change.

15th place could guarantee at least one GS place if CL-TH qualifies for CL-GS. Until now, no GS guarantees for country 15.

Even 16th place becomes important, as it could ensure at least two EL2-PO entrants (depending on EL-TH scenarios).

Interesting times ahead.

[Lorric]

I prefer the separate threads. It makes the information easier to get to and you can see the changes over a long period of time easily. You might have to go back numerous pages to pick up the thread of what you want to talk about if they're all packed into one thread.

[Todor]

As I can't find the new proposed access list, which places will make a difference at the end of this season?

[bert.kassies]

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/files/2021-24 ... s-list.pdf

[Todor]

Thanks, Bert!

So the important ones seem to be:

4 - 4 teams in the CL
6 - 3 teams in the CL
10 - a guaranteed place in the CL GS
11 - a possible place in the CL GS if the title holder place is not used
12 - a guaranteed place for the champion in the EL1 GS.
14 - a guaranteed place for the champion in the EL2 GS
15 - 2 teams in the CL, number 3 in the EL
51 - 4 teams in Europe, champion starting in Q1
54 - 3 teams in Europe

Minor ones:

17, 28

[Forza AZ]

Thanks, Bert!

So the important ones seem to be:

4 - 4 teams in the CL
6 - 3 teams in the CL
10 - a guaranteed place in the CL GS
11 - a possible place in the CL GS if the title holder place is not used
12 - a guaranteed place for the champion in the EL1 GS.
14 - a guaranteed place for the champion in the EL2 GS
15 - 2 teams in the CL, number 3 in the EL
51 - 4 teams in Europe, champion starting in Q1
54 - 3 teams in Europe

Minor ones:

17, 28

This access list was made before UEFA anounced to treat Kosovo as regular member, so I expect countries 51-55 to all have 3 teams in Europe, like they do in 2020-21, so that will make rank 50 important and rank 54 not.

[nogomet]

Thanks, Bert!

So the important ones seem to be:

4 - 4 teams in the CL
6 - 3 teams in the CL
10 - a guaranteed place in the CL GS
11 - a possible place in the CL GS if the title holder place is not used
12 - a guaranteed place for the champion in the EL1 GS.
14 - a guaranteed place for the champion in the EL2 GS
15 - 2 teams in the CL, number 3 in the EL (possibly 1 guaranteed place in EL2 GS if CL-TH is not used)
51 - 4 teams in Europe, champion starting in Q1
54 - 3 teams in Europe

Minor ones:

They decided recently that all countries below 50th place will have 3 teams in Europe, which means place 54 is no longer important, and place 50 becomes important if you want 4 teams.

Also, because EL2-TH spot will not be used in 2021-22, place 14 guarantees at least two EL2 GS spots, while place 15 guarantees nothing (if CL-TH is used), so it makes a huge difference between places 14 and 15.

But also literally every place between 9 and 15 makes a difference.

4 - 4 teams in the CL
6 - 3 teams in the CL
9 - 3 guaranteed GS slots, one in CL, one in EL1, one in EL2
10 - a guaranteed place in the CL GS
11 - a possible place in the CL GS if the title holder place is not used
12 - a guaranteed place for the champion in the EL1 GS.
13 - a possible guaranteed place in EL1 GS if CL-TH is not used
14 - two guaranteed places in the EL2 GS (champion and cup winner)
15 - 5 teams in Europe, 2 in CL
50 - 4 teams in Europe

[nogomet]

With only 4 participants, and with strong Celtic and Rangers once again, Scotland will be a favorite for a Top 15 place in the battle next season:
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/ue ... k2021.html

They can come close already this season, but a 12 point lag behind Cyprus might be too much to overcome in one season.

[nogomet]

Current battle for 15th place:

15. Cyprus
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16. Greece (-3.6 pts, effectively -4.0)
17. Croatia (-5.5)
18. Switzerland (-10.6, effectively -11.0)
19. Serbia (-9.0)
20. Scotland (-12.0)
21. Norway (-13.0)

[SimonB]

Current battle for 15th place:

15. Cyprus
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16. Greece (-3.6 pts, effectively -4.0)
17. Croatia (-5.5)
18. Switzerland (-10.6, effectively -11.0)
19. Serbia (-9.0)
20. Scotland (-12.0)
21. Norway (-13.0)

This posting seems to suggest that nobody above could be dragged back into this race. I would tend to agree I think, but mathematically the two countries above Cyprus are both closer than Norway is to Cyprus.

[nogomet]

This posting seems to suggest that nobody above could be dragged back into this race. I would tend to agree I think, but mathematically the two countries above Cyprus are both closer than Norway is to Cyprus.

Denmark is 15 points above Greece. Barring a total Danish disaster this summer, I assume they are safe in Top 15. So Norway is mathematically closer to reaching Top 15 than Denmark falling out of Top 15.

[SimonB]

Yes, I was too focused on 15 and forgot that 16 is the important place when you are already above the line.

[kurdalex]

This access list was made before UEFA anounced to treat Kosovo as regular member, so I expect countries 51-55 to all have 3 teams in Europe, like they do in 2020-21, so that will make rank 50 important and rank 54 not.

They decided recently that all countries below 50th place will have 3 teams in Europe, which means place 54 is no longer important, and place 50 becomes important if you want 4 teams.

Why do you think the 51st place will have only 3 teams? UEFA can move 1 team from Q2 EL2 to Q1 EL2 and leave 4 teams for the 51st place.

[Forza AZ]

Why do you think the 51th place will have only 3 teams? UEFA can move 1 team from Q2 EL2 to Q1 EL2 and leave 4 teams for the 51th place.

They could have done that yes. I have no idea why they didn't.

[Todor]

By beating Shkendija away, Nomme Kalju raised Estonia to 50th, equal on points with Kosovo and 0.25 points ahead of Montenegro.