The ranking at the end of the 2022-2023 season determines access list for the 2024-2025 competitions, the first year of the 2024-2027 cycle.
What are the important positions ?
There are various kind of consequences when climbing the ranking :
- get one more club qualified to European Competition,
- get one club berth promoted from Conference League (ECL) to Europa League (EL), or from EL to CL (that one is tied to the "one more club" reward in current cycle, but that's a possibility for future access list)
- skip a qualification round, giving guarantee or higher chance to be present in the Group Stage,
- get an optional reward, depending on the status of ECL/EL/CL title holder wrt their qualification through their national competitions
- get a seeding protection (eg CL GS pot 1), if the seeding/draw procedures of the cycle include it
Depending on losers qualification paths, the group stage guarantees may stay the following:
CL Q3 -> EL Q4/PO -> ECL GS
CL Q3nc -> EL GS
CL Q4/PO -> EL GS
Edit 18 Oct 2022
The last countries send
- the champion (CH) in Champions League Qualification Round 1 (CL Q1),
- the cup winner (CW) and the vice-champion (N2) in European Conference League (ECL Q1).
According to https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2024.html the important positions are the following.
50 -> 4th team : N3 in ECL Q1
38 -> CW in ECL Q2
34 -> N2 in ECL Q2
33 -> CW in EL Q1
29 -> N3 in ECL Q2
22 -> CH in CL Q2
15 -> 5th team : N2 in CL Q2nc, CW in EL Q3
14 -> CH in Q4/PO
12 -> CW in EL Q4/PO, N3 in EL Q2
10 -> CH in CL GS
9 -> N2 in CL Q3nc
7 -> CW in EL GS
6 -> 6th team : N2 in CL GS
5 -> 7th team : N3 in CL GS, N5 in EL GS, N6 in ECL Q4/PO
4 -> N4 in CL GS
Battles for important ranking positions 2022-2023
Battles for important ranking positions 2022-2023
Last edited by FrancoisD on Tue Oct 18, 2022 15:29, edited 1 time in total.
In this range, for current cycle we had a battle to avoid CL preliminary round, and the battle for 4th team.
We don't know if there will still be a CL PR, however I don't think UEFA plans to give everyone a 4th team.
We don't know if there will still be a CL PR, however I don't think UEFA plans to give everyone a 4th team.
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# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams
45 Estonia 6.416 45 53 3
46 Malta 5.625 46 46 4
47 Albania 5.375 43 41 4
48 Wales 5.000 50 51 3
49 Gibraltar 4.916 51 49 4
50 Liechtenstein 4.500 49 33 1
51 Andorra 4.499 54 54 3
52 Iceland 4.250 52 52 3
53 North Macedonia 3.875 48 38 4
54 Montenegro 3.750 53 50 4
55 San Marino 1.166 55 55 3
This range wasn't heavily concerned by the access list in current cycle, but the promise that "At least 33 CWs will have access to the EL" changes that.
The most probable implementation of the promise introduces CW of countries 1-33 in EL qualification rounds instead of ECL.
The most probable implementation of the promise introduces CW of countries 1-33 in EL qualification rounds instead of ECL.
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# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams
30 Kazakhstan 11.500 29 27 4
31 Slovenia 10.375 31 31 4
32 Belarus 9.250 32 29 4
33 Moldova 8.500 33 45 4
34 Kosovo 8.166 39 48 4
35 Latvia 7.875 38 40 4
36 Luxembourg 7.875 37 35 4
37 Bosnia-Herzegovina 7.750 35 36 4
38 Finland 7.625 36 44 4
39 Lithuania 7.625 34 34 4
40 Armenia 7.500 41 39 4
41 Northern Ireland 7.333 42 42 4
42 Ireland 7.000 40 37 4
43 Georgia 6.875 47 43 4
44 Faroe Islands 6.500 44 47 4
45 Estonia 6.416 45 53 3
This range was concerned by battles in the bottom of the range, for skipping ECL Q1, mainly.
If the move of cup winners to EL QRs includes a safety net in ECL for the losers, that may push the ECL Q1 skip place higher, around 25 or 24.
The added places in CL may also move the "skip CL Q1" reward down from the 17th place to this range.
If the move of cup winners to EL QRs includes a safety net in ECL for the losers, that may push the ECL Q1 skip place higher, around 25 or 24.
The added places in CL may also move the "skip CL Q1" reward down from the 17th place to this range.
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# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams
22 Israel 18.750 22 21 4
23 Sweden 17.500 23 23 4
24 Bulgaria 15.500 24 24 4
25 Hungary 14.750 27 28 4
26 Romania 14.250 25 25 4
27 Slovakia 13.750 30 32 4
28 Poland 13.000 28 30 4
29 Azerbaijan 12.625 26 26 4
30 Kazakhstan 11.500 29 27 4
The range of "battle for 15th" classic thread, with the 5th team reward, 2nd team in CL, and some GS guarantees.
The countries in that range are very very close, the range can't lose all reawards, so that will probably stay the most focused range in the discussion.
The countries in that range are very very close, the range can't lose all reawards, so that will probably stay the most focused range in the discussion.
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# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams
12 Ukraine 23.800 12 12 5
13 Norway 23.250 17 22 4
14 Switzerland 23.175 14 19 4
15 Greece 23.100 15 20 4
16 Czech Republic 22.300 16 17 4
17 Croatia 22.025 19 18 4
18 Denmark 21.925 18 14 5
19 Russia 21.882 10 8 0*
20 Turkey 20.300 20 13 5
21 Cyprus 19.375 21 15 5
22 Israel 18.750 22 21 4
This range is often merged with the 4th, but countries here have a significant advance in the race, and the places have a good chance to still offer quality rewards (GS guarantees most probably, maybe 6th team reward if it moves down the ranking).
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# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams
8 Scotland 32.900 9 11 5
9 Austria 29.100 8 10 5
10 Belgium 28.000 13 9 5
11 Serbia 27.000 11 16 4
12 Ukraine 23.800 12 12 5
Information available on access list strongly suggest there will be a "battle for 5", with increased importance compared to previous access list.
France, Netherlands and Portugal will fight the whole season to secure the best possible position for them.
Netherlands might be able to profit from its lower club number to amplify the effect of good results.
France, Netherlands and Portugal will fight the whole season to secure the best possible position for them.
Netherlands might be able to profit from its lower club number to amplify the effect of good results.
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# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams
5 France 48.581 5 5 6
6 Netherlands 46.400 7 7 5
7 Portugal 43.716 6 6 6
8 Scotland 32.900 9 11 5
The only important position seems to stay the 4th one, as being 1st or 4th gives exactly the same access list.
The gap between the Top 4 and France is wide, so that range should not create much discussion.
The gap between the Top 4 and France is wide, so that range should not create much discussion.
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# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams
1 England 86.570 1 1 7
2 Spain 76.427 2 2 7
3 Germany 65.356 4 4 7
4 Italy 59.356 3 3 7
5 France 48.581 5 5 6
Will be getting in touch with my contact later to try and see when the access list will be released. What I will say from the offset is that this race here, will become increasingly important come 2024. These positions, as well as the leagues 8-11, there's so much at stake for these positions. I'd also include the group just below this one, I think I saw like 22-28. I'd cut it down to maybe 22-25 I'd say. Overall, this will be crucial. The number of true battles we'll have I'd say would be at around a dozen, with maybe half of them focusing around this area aloneFrancoisD wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 10:00 The range of "battle for 15th" classic thread, with the 5th team reward, 2nd team in CL, and some GS guarantees.
The countries in that range are very very close, the range can't lose all reawards, so that will probably stay the most focused range in the discussion.Code: Select all
# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams 12 Ukraine 23.800 12 12 5 13 Norway 23.250 17 22 4 14 Switzerland 23.175 14 19 4 15 Greece 23.100 15 20 4 16 Czech Republic 22.300 16 17 4 17 Croatia 22.025 19 18 4 18 Denmark 21.925 18 14 5 19 Russia 21.882 10 8 0* 20 Turkey 20.300 20 13 5 21 Cyprus 19.375 21 15 5 22 Israel 18.750 22 21 4
Every position matter, that's the main takeaway.
This season is super important since it will determine the allocation for the 1st season under the new system.
This season is super important since it will determine the allocation for the 1st season under the new system.
A fair and interesting access list would be something like this:
Top 4 places- 5 + 2
5th-8th place 4 + 2
9th-13th place 3 + 3
14-18-place 2 + 3
19th-28th place 1 + 3
Number of safe clubs in GS + number of clubs in qualifiers. So countries up to 28th place would have guaranteed one place in the GS minimum ECL. In addition to the Top 2 countries by Country coefficients one club more in the CL.
Top 4 places- 5 + 2
5th-8th place 4 + 2
9th-13th place 3 + 3
14-18-place 2 + 3
19th-28th place 1 + 3
Number of safe clubs in GS + number of clubs in qualifiers. So countries up to 28th place would have guaranteed one place in the GS minimum ECL. In addition to the Top 2 countries by Country coefficients one club more in the CL.
Russia is currently 12th with 26.215 because we can already add 4.333 to their tally, but without any active clubs in 2022/23. So this means all countries above them on your list move one place lower.FrancoisD wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 10:00 The range of "battle for 15th" classic thread, with the 5th team reward, 2nd team in CL, and some GS guarantees.
The countries in that range are very very close, the range can't lose all reawards, so that will probably stay the most focused range in the discussion.Code: Select all
# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams 12 Ukraine 23.800 12 12 5 13 Norway 23.250 17 22 4 14 Switzerland 23.175 14 19 4 15 Greece 23.100 15 20 4 16 Czech Republic 22.300 16 17 4 17 Croatia 22.025 19 18 4 18 Denmark 21.925 18 14 5 19 Russia 21.882 10 8 0* 20 Turkey 20.300 20 13 5 21 Cyprus 19.375 21 15 5 22 Israel 18.750 22 21 4
Ukraine is 13th but with a coefficient 24.600 because they already have 4 bonus points (0.800) for Shakhtar taking part in CL-GS.
I wrote the 4 year total instead of a 5 year total including guaranteed bonus points, because I often prefer to attribute bonus points as late as possible when comparing performances. The russian score here is the exception that almost made me change my mind.nogomet wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 10:14
Russia is currently 12th with 26.215 because we can already add 4.333 to their tally, but without any active clubs in 2022/23. So this means all countries above them on your list move one place lower.
Ukraine is 13th but with a coefficient 24.600 because they already have 4 bonus points (0.800) for Shakhtar taking part in CL-GS.
From my point of view - and I am curious if fans of other nations in this part of the ranking see it similarly - by far the most crucial line is where the number of clubs surely entering a group stage of at least ECL drops by one. The second most important line is where the number of clubs entering european cups at all drops by one (and I expect/hope it to be lower than 15 for the new format). Other battles for entering in later stages of the qualification surely matter as well, but not quite as much as the two I mentioned above.dnina10 wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 16:23Will be getting in touch with my contact later to try and see when the access list will be released. What I will say from the offset is that this race here, will become increasingly important come 2024. These positions, as well as the leagues 8-11, there's so much at stake for these positions. I'd also include the group just below this one, I think I saw like 22-28. I'd cut it down to maybe 22-25 I'd say. Overall, this will be crucial. The number of true battles we'll have I'd say would be at around a dozen, with maybe half of them focusing around this area aloneFrancoisD wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 10:00 The range of "battle for 15th" classic thread, with the 5th team reward, 2nd team in CL, and some GS guarantees.
The countries in that range are very very close, the range can't lose all reawards, so that will probably stay the most focused range in the discussion.Code: Select all
# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams 12 Ukraine 23.800 12 12 5 13 Norway 23.250 17 22 4 14 Switzerland 23.175 14 19 4 15 Greece 23.100 15 20 4 16 Czech Republic 22.300 16 17 4 17 Croatia 22.025 19 18 4 18 Denmark 21.925 18 14 5 19 Russia 21.882 10 8 0* 20 Turkey 20.300 20 13 5 21 Cyprus 19.375 21 15 5 22 Israel 18.750 22 21 4
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I'm going to give you guys a number to look out for that will become highly significant in 2024. That number is 12. The top 12 will have a crucial edgequelhar wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 11:25From my point of view - and I am curious if fans of other nations in this part of the ranking see it similarly - by far the most crucial line is where the number of clubs surely entering a group stage of at least ECL drops by one. The second most important line is where the number of clubs entering european cups at all drops by one (and I expect/hope it to be lower than 15 for the new format). Other battles for entering in later stages of the qualification surely matter as well, but not quite as much as the two I mentioned above.dnina10 wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 16:23Will be getting in touch with my contact later to try and see when the access list will be released. What I will say from the offset is that this race here, will become increasingly important come 2024. These positions, as well as the leagues 8-11, there's so much at stake for these positions. I'd also include the group just below this one, I think I saw like 22-28. I'd cut it down to maybe 22-25 I'd say. Overall, this will be crucial. The number of true battles we'll have I'd say would be at around a dozen, with maybe half of them focusing around this area aloneFrancoisD wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 10:00 The range of "battle for 15th" classic thread, with the 5th team reward, 2nd team in CL, and some GS guarantees.
The countries in that range are very very close, the range can't lose all reawards, so that will probably stay the most focused range in the discussion.Code: Select all
# country 4 year 2022 2021 teams 12 Ukraine 23.800 12 12 5 13 Norway 23.250 17 22 4 14 Switzerland 23.175 14 19 4 15 Greece 23.100 15 20 4 16 Czech Republic 22.300 16 17 4 17 Croatia 22.025 19 18 4 18 Denmark 21.925 18 14 5 19 Russia 21.882 10 8 0* 20 Turkey 20.300 20 13 5 21 Cyprus 19.375 21 15 5 22 Israel 18.750 22 21 4