Oldschool Klassiker. Oliver Kahn's reaction was priceless.
German Football 2022/23
- BurningStorm
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Bundesliga MD-10 from 10/14 to 10/16. My order to watch:
Best 3 games: Union-Dortmund, Bayern-Freiburg, Frankfurt-Leverkusen
Next 3 games: Leipzig-Hertha, Schalke-Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg-Gladbach
Last 3 games: Köln-Augsburg, Bremen-Mainz, Stuttgart-Bochum
Best 3 games: Union-Dortmund, Bayern-Freiburg, Frankfurt-Leverkusen
Next 3 games: Leipzig-Hertha, Schalke-Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg-Gladbach
Last 3 games: Köln-Augsburg, Bremen-Mainz, Stuttgart-Bochum
10/13: As of UEFA-MD4, three Bundesliga teams would be eliminated in GS. Bundesliga Top4 alive in Spring.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig
UEL: Freiburg
UECL: Union
OUT: Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Köln
10/6: As of UEFA-MD3, one Bundesliga team would be eliminated in GS.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund
UEL: Leipzig, Leverkusen, Frankfurt, Freiburg
UECL: Union
OUT: Köln
9/15: As of UEFA-MD2, one Bundesliga team would be eliminated in GS.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen
UEL: Frankfurt, Freiburg
UECL: Union, Köln
OUT: Leipzig
9/8: As of UEFA-MD1, three Bundesliga teams would be eliminated in GS.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund
UEL: Leipzig, Freiburg
UECL: Union
OUT: Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Köln
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig
UEL: Freiburg
UECL: Union
OUT: Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Köln
10/6: As of UEFA-MD3, one Bundesliga team would be eliminated in GS.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund
UEL: Leipzig, Leverkusen, Frankfurt, Freiburg
UECL: Union
OUT: Köln
9/15: As of UEFA-MD2, one Bundesliga team would be eliminated in GS.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen
UEL: Frankfurt, Freiburg
UECL: Union, Köln
OUT: Leipzig
9/8: As of UEFA-MD1, three Bundesliga teams would be eliminated in GS.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund
UEL: Leipzig, Freiburg
UECL: Union
OUT: Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Köln
Bundesliga after MD10ultra2013 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 19:07 Bundesliga after MD7
CL: Union Berlin, Dortmund, Freiburg, Hoffenheim
EL: Bayern, Gladbach
ECL: Frankfurt
Relegation play-off: Stuttgart (vs Darmstadt)
Relegated: Wolfsburg, Bochum
Bayern being out of UCL positions after 20% of the season is a massive surprise.
CL: Union Berlin, Bayern, Freiburg, Hoffenheim
EL: Frankfurt, Gladbach
ECL: Köln
Relegation play-off: Leverkusen (vs Hamburg)
Relegated: Schalke, Bochum
Dortmund being out of european positions after 30% of the season is a massive surprise.
Union Berlin keep winning. Two more weeks at the top of the Bundesliga table secured.
International break hater
WS marks - Update after MD10 (average of the best 5 performances)
Top 10
8.38 Nicklas Füllkrug (Bremen, FW, 29, GER)
8.31 Rafal Gikiewicz (Augsburg, GK, 34, POL)
8.24 Jamal Musiala (Bayern, AMC, 19, GER)
8.12 Michael Gregoritsch (Freiburg, FW, 28, AUT)
8.11 Florian Kainz (Köln, AML, 29, AUT)
8.11 Joshua Kimmich (Bayern, DMC, 27, GER)
8.10 Marcus Thuram (Mönchengladbach, FW, 25, FRA)
8.08 Yann Sommer (Mönchengladbach, GK, 33, SUI)
8.04 Leroy Sané (Bayern, AML, 26, GER)
7.96 Christopher Nkunku (Leipzig, AMC, 24, FRA)
etc.
Best XI
............... F.Kainz (Köln) - N.Füllkrug (Bremen) - J.Hofmann (M'Gladbach) .................
...... J.Bellingham (Dortmund) - J.Kimmich (Bayern) - C.Baumgartner (Hoffenheim) .......
R.Bensebaini (M'Gladbach) - W.Orban (Leipzig) - O.Kabak (Hoffenheim) - B.Pavard (Bayern)
......................................... R.Gikiewicz (Augsburg) ........................................
U21 Players
8.24 Jamal Musiala (Bayern, AMC, 19, GER)
7.68 Jude Bellingham (Dortmund, MC, 19, ENG)
7.46 Georginio Rutter (Hoffenheim, FW, 20, FRA)
etc.
Best per club
7.86 Sheraldo Becker (Union, FW, 27, NED)
8.24 Jamal Musiala (Bayern, AMC, 19, GER)
8.12 Michael Gregoritsch (Freiburg, FW, 28, AUT)
7.63 Christoph Baumgartner (Hoffenheim, MC, 23, AUT)
7.81 Daichi Kamada (Frankfurt, AMC, 26, JPN)
8.10 Marcus Thuram (Mönchengladbach, FW, 25, FRA)
8.11 Florian Kainz (Köln, AML, 29, AUT)
7.68 Jude Bellingham (Dortmund, MC, 19, ENG)
8.38 Nicklas Füllkrug (Bremen, FW, 29, GER)
7.96 Christopher Nkunku (Leipzig, AMC, 24, FRA)
7.37 Anton Stach (Mainz, MC, 23, GER)
8.31 Rafal Gikiewicz (Augsburg, GK, 34, POL)
7.49 Koen Casteels (Wolfsburg, GK, 30, BEL)
7.65 Silas Mvumpa (Stuttgart, DML, 24, DRC)
7.71 Dodi Lukébakio (Hertha, FWR, 25, BEL)
7.62 Moussa Diaby (Leverkusen, AMR, 23, FRA)
7.12 Simon Terodde (Schalke, FW, 34, GER)
7.85 Manuel Riemann (Bochum, GK, 34, GER)
Top 10
8.38 Nicklas Füllkrug (Bremen, FW, 29, GER)
8.31 Rafal Gikiewicz (Augsburg, GK, 34, POL)
8.24 Jamal Musiala (Bayern, AMC, 19, GER)
8.12 Michael Gregoritsch (Freiburg, FW, 28, AUT)
8.11 Florian Kainz (Köln, AML, 29, AUT)
8.11 Joshua Kimmich (Bayern, DMC, 27, GER)
8.10 Marcus Thuram (Mönchengladbach, FW, 25, FRA)
8.08 Yann Sommer (Mönchengladbach, GK, 33, SUI)
8.04 Leroy Sané (Bayern, AML, 26, GER)
7.96 Christopher Nkunku (Leipzig, AMC, 24, FRA)
etc.
Best XI
............... F.Kainz (Köln) - N.Füllkrug (Bremen) - J.Hofmann (M'Gladbach) .................
...... J.Bellingham (Dortmund) - J.Kimmich (Bayern) - C.Baumgartner (Hoffenheim) .......
R.Bensebaini (M'Gladbach) - W.Orban (Leipzig) - O.Kabak (Hoffenheim) - B.Pavard (Bayern)
......................................... R.Gikiewicz (Augsburg) ........................................
U21 Players
8.24 Jamal Musiala (Bayern, AMC, 19, GER)
7.68 Jude Bellingham (Dortmund, MC, 19, ENG)
7.46 Georginio Rutter (Hoffenheim, FW, 20, FRA)
etc.
Best per club
7.86 Sheraldo Becker (Union, FW, 27, NED)
8.24 Jamal Musiala (Bayern, AMC, 19, GER)
8.12 Michael Gregoritsch (Freiburg, FW, 28, AUT)
7.63 Christoph Baumgartner (Hoffenheim, MC, 23, AUT)
7.81 Daichi Kamada (Frankfurt, AMC, 26, JPN)
8.10 Marcus Thuram (Mönchengladbach, FW, 25, FRA)
8.11 Florian Kainz (Köln, AML, 29, AUT)
7.68 Jude Bellingham (Dortmund, MC, 19, ENG)
8.38 Nicklas Füllkrug (Bremen, FW, 29, GER)
7.96 Christopher Nkunku (Leipzig, AMC, 24, FRA)
7.37 Anton Stach (Mainz, MC, 23, GER)
8.31 Rafal Gikiewicz (Augsburg, GK, 34, POL)
7.49 Koen Casteels (Wolfsburg, GK, 30, BEL)
7.65 Silas Mvumpa (Stuttgart, DML, 24, DRC)
7.71 Dodi Lukébakio (Hertha, FWR, 25, BEL)
7.62 Moussa Diaby (Leverkusen, AMR, 23, FRA)
7.12 Simon Terodde (Schalke, FW, 34, GER)
7.85 Manuel Riemann (Bochum, GK, 34, GER)
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Ex-Liverpool star Sadio Mane shows why he's a class act at Ballon d'Or ceremony
"Why would I want ten Ferraris, 20 diamond watches, or two planes? What will these objects do for me and for the world? I was hungry, and I had to work in the field; I survived hard times, played football barefooted, I did not have an education and many other things, but today with what I earn thanks to football, I can help my people.
"I built schools, a stadium, we provide clothes, shoes, food for people who are in extreme poverty. In addition, I give 70 euros per month to all people in a very poor region of Senegal which contributes to their family economy. I do not need to display luxury cars, luxury homes, trips and even planes. I prefer that my people receive a little of what life has given me"
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/soccer ... 891a15c83a
"Why would I want ten Ferraris, 20 diamond watches, or two planes? What will these objects do for me and for the world? I was hungry, and I had to work in the field; I survived hard times, played football barefooted, I did not have an education and many other things, but today with what I earn thanks to football, I can help my people.
"I built schools, a stadium, we provide clothes, shoes, food for people who are in extreme poverty. In addition, I give 70 euros per month to all people in a very poor region of Senegal which contributes to their family economy. I do not need to display luxury cars, luxury homes, trips and even planes. I prefer that my people receive a little of what life has given me"
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/soccer ... 891a15c83a
XG analysis after MD10
XG analysis suggests that teams like Union or Freiburg may just be summer hits whereas usual powerhouses like Bayern of course but also Leipzig or Dortmund are worth better than their current ranking (both are affected by finishing issues)
As far as Union is concerned, it's very rare to see such a difference after 10 games between real ranking and xPts ranking (Union being only 10th!) but their efficiency ratios both in attack and in defence are just outstanding - as if they were scoring every single half a chance they had and not conceding any goal.Will it last? we'll see in the upcoming months.
Another over performing team is Augsburg but here there seems to be a clear Gikiewicz effect.
xPts ranking
Efficiency in attack
Efficiency in defense
XG analysis suggests that teams like Union or Freiburg may just be summer hits whereas usual powerhouses like Bayern of course but also Leipzig or Dortmund are worth better than their current ranking (both are affected by finishing issues)
As far as Union is concerned, it's very rare to see such a difference after 10 games between real ranking and xPts ranking (Union being only 10th!) but their efficiency ratios both in attack and in defence are just outstanding - as if they were scoring every single half a chance they had and not conceding any goal.Will it last? we'll see in the upcoming months.
Another over performing team is Augsburg but here there seems to be a clear Gikiewicz effect.
xPts ranking
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xPts Pts Diff.
22,31 19 -3,31 - Bayern
18,20 15 -3,20 - Leipzig
16,87 16 -0,87 - Dortmund
16,60 17 0,40 - Hoffenheim
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16,51 16 -0,51 - Mönchengladbach
15,94 16 0,06 - Köln
15,74 18 2,26 - Freiburg
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15,59 17 1,41 - Frankfurt
15,31 15 -0,31 - Bremen
13,33 23 9,67 - Union
13,25 8 -5,25 - Stuttgart
12,78 15 2,22 - Mainz
11,96 8 -3,96 - Leverkusen
11,76 8 -3,76 - Hertha
10,81 6 -4,81 - Schalke
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10,47 10 -0,47 - Wolfsburg
6,83 13 6,17 - Augsburg
5,94 4 -1,94 - Bochum
Efficiency in attack
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xG G Diff.
9,19 18 8,81 - Union
24,06 30 5,94 - Bayern
16,27 21 4,73 - Frankfurt
16,67 20 3,33 - Bremen
17,48 19 1,52 - Köln
10,11 11 0,89 - Augsburg
(...)
15,43 14 -1,43 - Leverkusen
16,02 14 -2,02 - Freiburg
14,04 12 -2,04 - Hertha
20,23 17 -3,23 - Leipzig
16,85 13 -3,85 - Dortmund
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xGA GA Diff.
20,82 16 -4,82 - Augsburg
9,38 6 -3,38 - Union
12,49 10 -2,49 - Hoffenheim
16,76 15 -1,76 - Hertha
15,38 14 -1,38 - Mönchengladbach
(...)
24,98 27 2,02 - Bochum
10,89 14 3,11 - Dortmund
19,73 24 4,27 - Schalke
12,64 17 4,36 - Frankfurt
12,09 17 4,91 - Köln
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Bundesliga MD-11 from 10/21 to 10/23. My order to watch:
Best 3 games: Hoffenheim-Bayern, Dortmund-Stuttgart, Bochum-Union
Next 3 games: Freiburg-Bremen, Gladbach-Frankfurt, Augsburg-Leipzig
Last 3 games: Leverkusen-Wolfsburg, Hertha-Schalke, Mainz-Köln
Best 3 games: Hoffenheim-Bayern, Dortmund-Stuttgart, Bochum-Union
Next 3 games: Freiburg-Bremen, Gladbach-Frankfurt, Augsburg-Leipzig
Last 3 games: Leverkusen-Wolfsburg, Hertha-Schalke, Mainz-Köln
The Round of 16 teams in DFB-Pokal are known. 11 from Bundesliga and 5 from 2.Bundesliga.
No surprises, all the favorites still there for Sundays's draw. Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig, Frankfurt, Union, Freiburg still alive in three competitions.
No surprises, all the favorites still there for Sundays's draw. Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig, Frankfurt, Union, Freiburg still alive in three competitions.
Union Berlin Achille's heel = games against teams in the relegation zone.
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Regarding Köln's match in Moravia resuming on Friday 13:00 CEST, it will be only slightly above the minimum of 48 hours untill their BL match hosting Hoffenheim is set to kick off.
I hope DFL will manage to reschedule that match as well, providing the Köln players a more reasonable ammount of rest - the season is already too packed because of the Dessert Cup. In German football, we (still) don't have a dense schedule like in England in general, so there is enough room for match postponing.
Possible dates for rescheduling:
a) Mon 31th October, just one day
Sinsheim is app. 3 hours from Cologne - quite a far trip for fans between work days, espacially with such short time to adjust plans.
b) Sun 16th January
The week-end before Bundesliga officially ends its winter break
c) 7th-9th February
Mid-weeks during the second week of DFB-Pokal Last 16 as Hoffenheim have their cup match on 1st February and the week before that is already occupied by a regular BL matchday.
I hope DFL will manage to reschedule that match as well, providing the Köln players a more reasonable ammount of rest - the season is already too packed because of the Dessert Cup. In German football, we (still) don't have a dense schedule like in England in general, so there is enough room for match postponing.
Possible dates for rescheduling:
a) Mon 31th October, just one day
Sinsheim is app. 3 hours from Cologne - quite a far trip for fans between work days, espacially with such short time to adjust plans.
b) Sun 16th January
The week-end before Bundesliga officially ends its winter break
c) 7th-9th February
Mid-weeks during the second week of DFB-Pokal Last 16 as Hoffenheim have their cup match on 1st February and the week before that is already occupied by a regular BL matchday.
10/28: As of UEFA-MD5, two Bundesliga teams would be eliminated in GS.ultra2013 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 23:02 10/13: As of UEFA-MD4, three Bundesliga teams would be eliminated in GS.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig
UEL: Freiburg
UECL: Union
OUT: Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Köln
10/6: As of UEFA-MD3, one Bundesliga team would be eliminated in GS.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund
UEL: Leipzig, Leverkusen, Frankfurt, Freiburg
UECL: Union
OUT: Köln
9/15: As of UEFA-MD2, one Bundesliga team would be eliminated in GS.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen
UEL: Frankfurt, Freiburg
UECL: Union, Köln
OUT: Leipzig
9/8: As of UEFA-MD1, three Bundesliga teams would be eliminated in GS.
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund
UEL: Leipzig, Freiburg
UECL: Union
OUT: Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Köln
UCL: Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig
UEL: Freiburg, Union, Frankfurt
UECL:
OUT: Leverkusen, Köln
Frankfurt, Leverkusen and Köln could be OUT of Europe in GS. The average of BL teems OUT was two, so it's likely one of these will be alive in Spring. Who? Next week we will know.
Last edited by ultra2013 on Fri Oct 28, 2022 15:46, edited 2 times in total.
Bundesliga MD-12 from 10/28 to 10/30. My order to watch:
Best 3 games: Frankfurt-Dortmund, Union-Gladbach, Bayern-Mainz
Next 3 games: Leipzig-Leverkusen, Schalke-Freiburg, Köln-Hoffenheim
Last 3 games: Wolfsburg-Bochum, Bremen-Hertha, Stuttgart-Augsburg
No rescheduling for Köln's game on Sunday.
Best 3 games: Frankfurt-Dortmund, Union-Gladbach, Bayern-Mainz
Next 3 games: Leipzig-Leverkusen, Schalke-Freiburg, Köln-Hoffenheim
Last 3 games: Wolfsburg-Bochum, Bremen-Hertha, Stuttgart-Augsburg
No rescheduling for Köln's game on Sunday.