UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Play-Off round

[nogomet]

Ironically enough, for Omonia being priority 4 might be better. They avoid the likes of Fenerbahce, Partizan, Malmo, Olympiakos and could instead face teams like Hearts, Dnipro 1 or Sivasspor. Gent should be the strongest priority 1 side.

It is questionable if it's even better to win the EL-PO tie.

Not again. For the club, it is. The clubs care more about themselves than about the Country Ranking.

Omonoia needs to boost their club coefficient to make them seeded in ECL qualifying rounds and boost their chances of playing any group stage football in the following seasons. Plus a good run in ECL can create significant monetary benefits, comparable to getting out early in EL.

[Firnen]

Ironically enough, for Omonia being priority 4 might be better. They avoid the likes of Fenerbahce, Partizan, Malmo, Olympiakos and could instead face teams like Hearts, Dnipro 1 or Sivasspor. Gent should be the strongest priority 1 side.

It is questionable if it's even better to win the EL-PO tie.

Last season they lost the EL PO but they were awful in ECL too. So it might be better being awful in the stronger competition (in London, Manchester, Rome or Berlin).

They were 8th in Cyprus last year, they're here as Cup Winners. On paper they are the weakest of the 5 Cypriot teams.

[dnina10]

Tissoudali is out for 6 months, I think he was one of Gent's best players, suddenly the best pot 1 team on paper (Gent) is weakened.

Yeah, huge loss for De Buffalo's. With that said, I still expect them to be able to beat whoever they get with little trouble. Maybe outside of Olympiakos Piraeus, you'd have to count them as favourites against anyone else they could potentially face

[Firnen]

Tissoudali is out for 6 months, I think he was one of Gent's best players, suddenly the best pot 1 team on paper (Gent) is weakened.

Yeah, huge loss for De Buffalo's. With that said, I still expect them to be able to beat whoever they get with little trouble. Maybe outside of Olympiakos Piraeus, you'd have to count them as favourites against anyone else they could potentially face

Fenerbahce is also strong on paper, and Partizan is sometimes dangerous at this level. I wouldn't count Malmo out too, they changed their coach, maybe they will bounce back.

[dnina10]

Tissoudali is out for 6 months, I think he was one of Gent's best players, suddenly the best pot 1 team on paper (Gent) is weakened.

Yeah, huge loss for De Buffalo's. With that said, I still expect them to be able to beat whoever they get with little trouble. Maybe outside of Olympiakos Piraeus, you'd have to count them as favourites against anyone else they could potentially face

Fenerbahce is also strong on paper, and Partizan is sometimes dangerous at this level. I wouldn't count Malmo out too, they changed their coach, maybe they will bounce back.

Fener sure, Partizan has not convinced at all so far, while Malmö has been downright bad. I'd be shocked if Malmö beat Gent

[Putje]

Tissoudali is out for 6 months, I think he was one of Gent's best players, suddenly the best pot 1 team on paper (Gent) is weakened.

Yeah, huge loss for De Buffalo's. With that said, I still expect them to be able to beat whoever they get with little trouble. Maybe outside of Olympiakos Piraeus, you'd have to count them as favourites against anyone else they could potentially face

Gent favorite to Fenerbace or Partizan Belgrado?? Not in my opinion.
But as said at the opening treat: this draw is not so important while everyone get to play in a group.

[eye]

Whoever came up with this priority idea must have smoked something heavy that night.

Haha this is totally correct. The point of priorities was to ensure that there will be 4 pairs of champions and instead of this a whole mess was created. When you want to have 4 pairs of champions simply first draw the 4 pairs out of the 11 champions and then add to the pot the winners of EL-Q3 and draw them against the clubs that enter at this round. In case there are more than 6 clubs that enter at this round like it happened this year draw the remaining clubs in end. It is so simple.

[Agent327]

The whole priority thing is a load of rubbish.
Everything is according to seeding no matter which round you will start
except the ELPO.
Furthermore you separate Champions from League Path entries (like in CL and ECL) or you won't.
If separated, one champion will play against a league path team to make up for the uneven numbers in each group.

In this case I would put them al together, because worst case scenario...? you'll end up in ECLGS

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S1  Ludogorets / Dinamo Zagreb           23.000 - 49.500
S2  Pyunik / Red Star Belgrade            4.250 - 46.000
S3  Slovan / Olympiakos Piraeus          13.000 - 41.000
S4  Sheriff / Viktoria Plzen             22.500 - 31.000
S5  AA Gent                        Bel   27.500
S6  Ferencváros / Qarabag                15.500 - 25.000
S7  AEK Larnaca/Partizan Belgrade         7.500 - 24.500
S8  F91 Dudelange / Malmö FF              8.500 - 23.500
S9  Zalgiris Vilnius / Bodø Glimt         8.000 - 17.000
S10 Slovácko / Fenerbahçe                 5.560 - 14.500

U1  Mac Haifa / Apollon Limassol          7.000 - 14.000
U2  HJK Helsinki / NK Maribor             8.500 - 14.000
U3  Austria Wien                   Aut    7.770
U4  Hearts FC                      Sco    7.380
U5  Omonia Nicosia                 Cyp    7.000
U6  FK Shkupi / Shamrock Rovers           4.500 -  7.000
U7  FC Zürich / Linfield Belfast          7.000
U8  Sivasspor                      Tur    6.500
U9  SC Dnipro-1                    Ukr    6.360
U10 Silkeborg IF                   Den    5.435

Country protection will be in place,
Teams already played against each other can't be drawn together.
So these ties are excluded
S1 - U6
S3 - U1
S4 - U2
S6 - U7
S7 - U1/U5
S9 - U7
S10 - U8

[LRansborg]

The whole priority thing is a load of rubbish.
Everything is according to seeding no matter which round you will start
except the ELPO.
Furthermore you separate Champions from League Path entries (like in CL and ECL) or you won't.
If separated, one champion will play against a league path team to make up for the uneven numbers in each group.

In this case I would put them al together, because worst case scenario...? you'll end up in ECLGS

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S1  Ludogorets / Dinamo Zagreb           23.000 - 49.500
S2  Pyunik / Red Star Belgrade            4.250 - 46.000
S3  Slovan / Olympiakos Piraeus          13.000 - 41.000
S4  Sheriff / Viktoria Plzen             22.500 - 31.000
S5  AA Gent                        Bel   27.500
S6  Ferencváros / Qarabag                15.500 - 25.000
S7  AEK Larnaca/Partizan Belgrade         7.500 - 24.500
S8  F91 Dudelange / Malmö FF              8.500 - 23.500
S9  Zalgiris Vilnius / Bodø Glimt         8.000 - 17.000
S10 Slovácko / Fenerbahçe                 5.560 - 14.500

U1  Mac Haifa / Apollon Limassol          7.000 - 14.000
U2  HJK Helsinki / NK Maribor             8.500 - 14.000
U3  Austria Wien                   Aut    7.770
U4  Hearts FC                      Sco    7.380
U5  Omonia Nicosia                 Cyp    7.000
U6  FK Shkupi / Shamrock Rovers           4.500 -  7.000
U7  FC Zürich / Linfield Belfast          7.000
U8  Sivasspor                      Tur    6.500
U9  SC Dnipro-1                    Ukr    6.360
U10 Silkeborg IF                   Den    5.435

Country protection will be in place,
Teams already played against each other can't be drawn together.
So these ties are excluded
S1 - U6
S3 - U1
S4 - U2
S6 - U7
S7 - U1/U5
S9 - U7
S10 - U8

I sympathize with your system, but UEFA created their system to protect the champions without making it a completely seperate track (like it is in ELQ3).

While their draw procedure is unelegant, it does achieve its goals which includes a certain number of champions in EL and ensuring the CLQ3 participants a prefered status (although they are labeled priority 2).

I do not think the list of possible matchups looks any more fair in your system - the fact that expected loseres in CLQ3 inherent their seeded counterparts coefficient is in my eyes just as ugly as the UEFA system.

Also, it is not true that “Everything is according to seeding no matter which round you will start”. ELQ3 (both parts) and ECL champions path also employ seeding based on path rather than coefficient.

[Agent327]

The whole priority thing is a load of rubbish.
Everything is according to seeding no matter which round you will start
except the ELPO.
Furthermore you separate Champions from League Path entries (like in CL and ECL) or you won't.
If separated, one champion will play against a league path team to make up for the uneven numbers in each group.

In this case I would put them al together, because worst case scenario...? you'll end up in ECLGS

Code: Select all

S1  Ludogorets / Dinamo Zagreb           23.000 - 49.500
S2  Pyunik / Red Star Belgrade            4.250 - 46.000
S3  Slovan / Olympiakos Piraeus          13.000 - 41.000
S4  Sheriff / Viktoria Plzen             22.500 - 31.000
S5  AA Gent                        Bel   27.500
S6  Ferencváros / Qarabag                15.500 - 25.000
S7  AEK Larnaca/Partizan Belgrade         7.500 - 24.500
S8  F91 Dudelange / Malmö FF              8.500 - 23.500
S9  Zalgiris Vilnius / Bodø Glimt         8.000 - 17.000
S10 Slovácko / Fenerbahçe                 5.560 - 14.500

U1  Mac Haifa / Apollon Limassol          7.000 - 14.000
U2  HJK Helsinki / NK Maribor             8.500 - 14.000
U3  Austria Wien                   Aut    7.770
U4  Hearts FC                      Sco    7.380
U5  Omonia Nicosia                 Cyp    7.000
U6  FK Shkupi / Shamrock Rovers           4.500 -  7.000
U7  FC Zürich / Linfield Belfast          7.000
U8  Sivasspor                      Tur    6.500
U9  SC Dnipro-1                    Ukr    6.360
U10 Silkeborg IF                   Den    5.435

Country protection will be in place,
Teams already played against each other can't be drawn together.
So these ties are excluded
S1 - U6
S3 - U1
S4 - U2
S6 - U7
S7 - U1/U5
S9 - U7
S10 - U8

I sympathize with your system, but UEFA created their system to protect the champions without making it a completely seperate track (like it is in ELQ3).

While their draw procedure is unelegant, it does achieve its goals which includes a certain number of champions in EL and ensuring the CLQ3 participants a prefered status (although they are labeled priority 2).

I do not think the list of possible matchups looks any more fair in your system - the fact that expected loseres in CLQ3 inherent their seeded counterparts coefficient is in my eyes just as ugly as the UEFA system.

Also, it is not true that “Everything is according to seeding no matter which round you will start”. ELQ3 (both parts) and ECL champions path also employ seeding based on path rather than coefficient.

I see your point, and I agree to some level. To counter some of your arguments you could have a guided draw whereas the lowest 4 champions (in this case all unseeded) will be first drawn against the remaining champions before the open draw continuous.

The inherent part I totally agree with you, but due to the time frame the draw is made it's inevitable.

I stand corrected at last part (ELq3), but this fixed separation could go ugly if the 3 losing teams of CLnc and the CW are from the same country AND also couldn't play each other due to 'political' reasons.

[Firnen]

Lol...the winner of Olympiacos/Slovan vs the loser of Maccabi Haifa/Apollon Limassol. So if Olympiacos makes it, either a rematch (has it happened before?) or the exact same draw that could be CLQ3 if Olympiacos has made it.

AEK Larnaca's draw if better this time if they make it, Omonia's is terrible.

[matt]

Apollon very unlucky with this draw.

[Bulgarian]

Both Ludo and DZ for a second draw in a row get a “mirrored” draw - Bodo/Zalgiris in CL and ELPO.
Ferencvaros with an easy draw i want them in ELGS.

[Witkop1983]

Rematch would be fun... and then in group stage the team that wins finishes 3rd in EL and the team that loses finishes 2nd in ECL and we have another rematch...

[krdel]

Partizan-Dnipro might be interesting.