The draw is on Tuesday, 2 August @ 13.00 CET.
Probably the least exciting round of all qualifying rounds in all UEFA competitions. Unlike the EL-Q3 round where the stakes are huge because a win guarantees you group stage football, the stakes here are very low and the monetary incentives to win are not too big. Losing here means a chance for reaping big coefficient rewards in ECL and fighting for a European trophy, which is significantly more difficult in Europa League.
We now know all teams involved in the draw.
Priority 1:
KAA Gent
FK Austria Wien
Heart of Midlothian FC
Omonoia FC
Sivasspor
SC Dnipro-1
Silkeborg IF
Priority 2:
loser of PFC Ludogorets 1945 / GNK Dinamo Zagreb
loser of FC Sheriff Tiraspol / FC Viktoria Plzeň
loser of FK Žalgiris Vilnius / FK Bodø/Glimt
loser of Ferencvárosi TC / Qarabağ FK
loser of Maccabi Haifa FC / Apollon Limassol FC
loser of FC Pyunik / FK Crvena zvezda
Priority 3:
Olympiacos FC / ŠK Slovan Bratislava
Malmö FF / F91 Diddeleng
NK Maribor / HJK Helsinki
Shamrock Rovers FC / FC Shkupi 1927
Linfield FC / FC Zürich
Priority 4:
FK Partizan / AEK Larnaca FC
Fenerbahçe SK / 1. FC Slovácko
Due to the regulations that say that 8 champions have to play each other, one pair will have to contain two P1 teams. That pair is likely to be drawn first, after which everything proceeds in the usual way.
So the pairs will be:
P1 v P1
P1 v P4
P1 v P4
P1 v P3
P1 v P3
P1 v P3
P2 v P3
P2 v P3
P2 v P2
P2 v P2
P1 can draw all teams except P2.
P2 can draw only P2 or P3.
P3 can draw only P1 or P2.
P4 can draw only P1.
No country protection in this round.
UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Play-Off round
UEFA.com says otherwise in the draw regulations. Maybe they will fix it later.nogomet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 22:47
Due to the regulations that say that 8 champions have to play each other, one pair will have to contain two P1 teams. That pair is likely to be drawn first, after which everything proceeds in the usual way.
So the pairs will be:
P1 v P1
P1 v P4
P1 v P4
P1 v P3
P1 v P3
P1 v P3
P2 v P3
P2 v P3
P2 v P2
P2 v P2
P1 can draw all teams except P2.
P2 can draw only P2 or P3.
P3 can draw only P1 or P2.
P4 can draw only P1.
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/draws/
International break hater
On the draw page it is mentioned otherwise:
Last season clubs from the same association could be drawn against each other. Either this has been changed or the info on the draw page is wrong.- Priority 1 teams are drawn against the two priority 4 teams to determine two pairings.
- The five remaining Priority 1 teams are drawn against the five Priority 3 teams to determine five pairings.
- The six Priority 2 teams are drawn against each other to determine three pairings.
• Clubs from the same association cannot be drawn against each other. Further restrictions will be announced before the draw.
They would be breaking their own regulations (last update 20 June 2022), where it says that:matt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 23:01 UEFA.com says otherwise in the draw regulations. Maybe they will fix it later.
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/draws/
"For the play-offs, teams are seeded and drawn in accordance with the Club Competitions Committee principles for guaranteeing that eight clubs eliminated from the UEFA Champions League (champions path) are drawn against each other."
https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulation ... ing-Online
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OlliWender
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We'll need Pyunik and Qarabag protection again too. What a mess this whole priority nonsense is!
I suspect they changed the regulation after the re-balancing.nogomet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 23:06They would be breaking their own regulations (last update 20 June 2022), where it says that:matt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 23:01 UEFA.com says otherwise in the draw regulations. Maybe they will fix it later.
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/draws/
"For the play-offs, teams are seeded and drawn in accordance with the Club Competitions Committee principles for guaranteeing that eight clubs eliminated from the UEFA Champions League (champions path) are drawn against each other."
https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulation ... ing-Online
But the latest update of the regulations happened after the access list rebalancing.
Austria Vienna claim that they can be drawn vs teams from priority 3 and 4 (no mention about priority 1). No idea if they received official information from UEFA or they figured it out themselves.
https://fk-austria.at/news/mögliche-geg ... opa-league
https://fk-austria.at/news/mögliche-geg ... opa-league
Silkeborg writes the same.Juliusz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:32 Austria Vienna claim that they can be drawn vs teams from priority 3 and 4 (no mention about priority 1). No idea if they received official information from UEFA or they figured it out themselves.
https://fk-austria.at/news/mögliche-geg ... opa-league
It's also obvious considering the draw page on uefa.com. It's not like they have just copied in the text from the regulations, so one could be in doubt about how they would adjust it. They have changed the numbers in the text regarding the matching of priorities and the number of champions. So they made the decision on how to adjust already.
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Witkop1983
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Then why do they have priorities...
i was expecting P1 to play P3 and P4 and P2 to play P2
The suggested change doesn't really matter in terms of tougher/easier draws thoug I guess... as all pots have some strong and some weaker teams
i was expecting P1 to play P3 and P4 and P2 to play P2
The suggested change doesn't really matter in terms of tougher/easier draws thoug I guess... as all pots have some strong and some weaker teams
The problem appears to be that the number of teams in each priority group is not as foreseen in the UEFA regulations point 13.05. Why? Is it because of the Russia mess? - I haven't paid attention.
As a consequence there is conflict between the objective of the draw system (to ensure 8 champions drawn against each other) and that which would result from the specific prescribed procedure in the regulations in this situation that we are in. The math changed.
You'd be inclined to resolve the conflict in favour of the clearly stated objective, but since the rule is of a technical nature and it ought to be clear and predictable, when the procedure first is described and mandated clearly in the regulations, my legal instinct is that the draw procedure as described should take precedence over the stated objective.
So the order of the draw based on priority groups that are given on the UEFA draw page are consistent with the regulations, so long as the number of teams in each priority group that is mentioned on the draw page is correct.
The 7 teams in priority group 1 will be drawn against the 2 teams in priority group 4.
The remaining 5 teams in group 1 will be drawn against the 5 teams in group 3.
Then there are only the 6 teams in group 2 left and they will be drawn against each other. So this is just a consequence of the number of teams in each priority group this year.
As a consequence there is conflict between the objective of the draw system (to ensure 8 champions drawn against each other) and that which would result from the specific prescribed procedure in the regulations in this situation that we are in. The math changed.
You'd be inclined to resolve the conflict in favour of the clearly stated objective, but since the rule is of a technical nature and it ought to be clear and predictable, when the procedure first is described and mandated clearly in the regulations, my legal instinct is that the draw procedure as described should take precedence over the stated objective.
So the order of the draw based on priority groups that are given on the UEFA draw page are consistent with the regulations, so long as the number of teams in each priority group that is mentioned on the draw page is correct.
The 7 teams in priority group 1 will be drawn against the 2 teams in priority group 4.
The remaining 5 teams in group 1 will be drawn against the 5 teams in group 3.
Then there are only the 6 teams in group 2 left and they will be drawn against each other. So this is just a consequence of the number of teams in each priority group this year.
I think it's safe to assume that P4 and P3 face P1, and P2 face each other.
It was possible to avoid this mess if UEFA had decided to keep the number of matchups in EL-Q3 at three, but no, they had to mess it all up. This favored Danish cup winners who suddenly got a free ticket to GS, and hurt Croatian cup winners who had to start from ECL-Q3 instead of EL-Q3. All this may have major consequences on the Top 15 battle.
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dyermcryan
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Hey guys, so my understanding as a Shamrock Rovers fan reading the draw procedure on Wikipedia is that because we are Priority 3, we would definitely be drawn against a P1 club.
After reading this thread, it seems like the draw procedure will not produce the 4 required Champ v Champ ties required by Art 13.05, so will it be amended before Tuesday or will they just ignore the requirement to have 4 Ch v Ch ties?
After reading this thread, it seems like the draw procedure will not produce the 4 required Champ v Champ ties required by Art 13.05, so will it be amended before Tuesday or will they just ignore the requirement to have 4 Ch v Ch ties?
nogomet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 22:47 The draw is on Tuesday, 2 August @ 13.00 CET.
Probably the least exciting round of all qualifying rounds in all UEFA competitions. Unlike the EL-Q3 round where the stakes are huge because a win guarantees you group stage football, the stakes here are very low and the monetary incentives to win are not too big. Losing here means a chance for reaping big coefficient rewards in ECL and fighting for a European trophy, which is significantly more difficult in Europa League.
We now know all teams involved in the draw.
Priority 1:
KAA Gent
FK Austria Wien
Heart of Midlothian FC
Omonoia FC
Sivasspor
SC Dnipro-1
Silkeborg IF
Priority 2:
loser of PFC Ludogorets 1945 / GNK Dinamo Zagreb
loser of FC Sheriff Tiraspol / FC Viktoria Plzeň
loser of FK Žalgiris Vilnius / FK Bodø/Glimt
loser of Ferencvárosi TC / Qarabağ FK
loser of Maccabi Haifa FC / Apollon Limassol FC
loser of FC Pyunik / FK Crvena zvezda
Priority 3:
Olympiacos FC / ŠK Slovan Bratislava
Malmö FF / F91 Diddeleng
NK Maribor / HJK Helsinki
Shamrock Rovers FC / FC Shkupi 1927
Linfield FC / FC Zürich
Priority 4:
FK Partizan / AEK Larnaca FC
Fenerbahçe SK / 1. FC Slovácko
Due to the regulations that say that 8 champions have to play each other, one pair will have to contain two P1 teams. That pair is likely to be drawn first, after which everything proceeds in the usual way.
So the pairs will be:
P1 v P1
P1 v P4
P1 v P4
P1 v P3
P1 v P3
P1 v P3
P2 v P3
P2 v P3
P2 v P2
P2 v P2
P1 can draw all teams except P2.
P2 can draw only P2 or P3.
P3 can draw only P1 or P2.
P4 can draw only P1.
No country protection in this round.
The 4 matches that contains 8 champions are:
P2 v P3
P2 v P3
P2 v P2
P2 v P2
It is because of this "8 champions have to play each other". Am I correct?