UEFA Euro 2024- Qualifier

[Ed]

Here is the current UEFA qualification ranking after MD6.
- this ranking will decide the pot allocation for the draw of EURO24 on 2 December where Germany as host is automatically placed in pot 1.
- the last 3 berths are decided in the play-off paths. The winners of those paths are placed in pot 4.
- intermediate group standings are first based on points lost instead of points won, because of the unequal number of matches played in the 5-team groups.
- H2H in group standings is only taken into account when all matches in H2H are played.
- the matches against the group number 6 in groups H, I and J are discarded for this ranking.
- FP and UNL-ranking tiebreakers are only applied in the final group standings and ranking after the conclusion of the group stage.

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group	pos	team			MP	W	D	L	GF	GA	Pts	 GD	AG	AW	EURO24

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J	1	Portugal		5	5	0	0	20	 0	15	20	8	3	pot 1
A	1	Scotland		5	5	0	0	12	 1	15	11	5	2	pot 1
B	1	France			5	5	0	0	11	 0	15	11	4	2	pot 1
C	1	England			5	4	1	0	16	 2	13	14	7	2	pot 1
F	1	Belgium			5	4	1	0	13	 1	13	12	7	3	pot 1
															-------
D	1	Croatia			4	3	1	0	 9	 1	10	 8	3	2	pot 2
G	1	Hungary			4	3	1	0	 7	 1	10	 6	2	1	pot 2
I	1	Switzerland		4	2	2	0	12	 4	 8	 8	7	1	pot 2
E	1	Czech Republic		4	2	2	0	 7	 2	 8	 5	3	1	pot 2
H	1	Slovenia		4	2	1	1	 7	 6	 7	 1	2	1	pot 2
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F	2	Austria			5	4	1	0	12	 4	13	 8	4	1	pot 2
															-------
G	2	Serbia			5	3	1	1	 9	 4	10	 5	6	2	pot 3
E	2	Albania			5	3	1	1	 8	 3	10	 5	4	1	pot 3
H	2	Denmark			5	3	1	1	 8	 5	10	 3	4	1	pot 3
D	2	Turkey			5	3	1	1	 8	 6	10	 2	5	2	pot 3
A	2	Spain			4	3	0	1	16	 3	 9	13	7	1	pot 3
B	2	Netherlands		4	3	0	1	 8	 5	 9	 3	2	1	pot 3
															-------
I	2	Romania			5	2	3	0	 7	 4	 9	 3	2	0	pot 4
C	2	Italy			4	2	1	1	 6	 4	 7	 2	3	1	pot 4
J	2	Slovakia		4	2	1	1	 4	 2	 7	 2	2	1	pot 4
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B	3	Greece			5	3	0	2	10	 5	 9	 5	3	1	
H	3	Finland			5	3	0	2	 5	 4	 9	 1	3	2	
G	3	Montenegro		5	2	2	1	 5	 5	 8	 0	3	1	
E	3	Moldova			5	2	2	1	 5	 5	 8	 0	1	1	
I	3	Israel			5	2	2	1	 5	 6	 8	-1	3	1	
D	3	Armenia			5	2	1	2	 8	 7	 7	 1	5	1	
A	3	Norway			5	2	1	2	 7	 8	 7	-1	1	0	
C	3	Ukraine			5	2	1	2	 6	 7	 7	-1	4	1	
J	3	Luxembourg		5	2	1	2	 5	16	 7	-11	2	1	
F	3	Sweden			5	2	0	3	11	 8	 6	 3	5	1	
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H	4	Kazakhstan		5	3	0	2	 6	 5	 9	 1	1	1	
D	4	Wales			5	2	1	2	 6	 7	 7	-1	3	1	
C	4	North Macedonia		5	2	1	2	 7	12	 7	-5	2	1	
E	4	Poland			5	2	0	3	 6	 8	 6	-2	3	0	
A	4	Georgia			5	1	1	3	 5	13	 4	-8	3	1	
B	4	Republic of Ireland	5	1	0	4	 5	 7	 3	-2	1	0	
I	4	Kosovo			5	0	3	2	 4	 7	 3	-3	2	0	
J	4	Bosnia-Herzegovina	5	1	0	4	 3	 8	 3	-5	0	0	
G	4	Bulgaria		5	0	2	3	 3	 8	 2	-5	2	0	
F	4	Azerbaijan		4	0	1	3	 2	11	 1	-9	1	0	
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J	5	Iceland			5	1	0	4	 3	 9	 3	-6	1	0	
I	5	Belarus			5	1	0	4	 4	11	 3	-7	1	0	
G	5	Lithuania		5	0	2	3	 4	10	 2	-6	0	0	
E	5	Faroe Islands		5	0	1	4	 2	10	 1	-8	1	0	
F	5	Estonia			5	0	1	4	 2	16	 1	-14	2	0	
H	5	Northern Ireland	5	0	0	5	 2	 8	 0	-6	2	0	
D	5	Latvia			5	0	0	5	 3	13	 0	-10	1	0	
C	5	Malta			5	0	0	5	 1	11	 0	-10	1	0	
A	5	Cyprus			5	0	0	5	 2	17	 0	-15	1	0	
B	5	Gibraltar		5	0	0	5	 0	17	 0	-17	0	0	
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I	6	Andorra			6	0	2	4	 3	10	 2	-7	2	0	
J	6	Liechtenstein		6	0	0	6	 1	19	 0	-18	1	0	
H	6	San Marino		6	0	0	6	 0	21	 0	-21	0	0	

Current composition of the EURO24 play-off paths:

path C
Georgia - Luxembourg
Greece - Kazakhstan

path B
Israel - draw from Ukraine/Iceland
Bosnia-Herzegovina - draw from Finland/Ukraine

path A
Poland - Estonia
Wales - draw from Finland/Ukraine/Iceland

[Dniprovec]

After looking at the tables again, two out of Wales, Poland and Israel qualifying directly would be good enough for Ireland to make the playoffs

Unless Poland qualifies at the cost of Czech Republic.

[Polak]

It looks as though Santos is likely to go today. It seems the Polish FA have managed to come to a mutual agreement with him to leave. I suspect it's something along the lines of paying him until the end of the year, rather than until Euro 2024 time which was his original contract. This is the best solution as there is no point in keeping for the remaining 3 group games if the players know he would be gone after that.

They are very likely to put a Polish coach in charge now, whose wage is going to be considerably lower than Santos'. The most likely the choice is going to be between Papszun and Nawalka, with former Rakow coach Papszun the favourite to get the job.

[anty1975]

After looking at the tables again, two out of Wales, Poland and Israel qualifying directly would be good enough for Ireland to make the playoffs

Yes. Israel could happen but Poland and Wales very unlikely so Irish chances are slim...

[Greyn]

It looks as though Santos is likely to go today. It seems the Polish FA have managed to come to a mutual agreement with him to leave. I suspect it's something along the lines of paying him until the end of the year, rather than until Euro 2024 time which was his original contract. This is the best solution as there is no point in keeping for the remaining 3 group games if the players know he would be gone after that.

They are very likely to put a Polish coach in charge now, whose wage is going to be considerably lower than Santos'. The most likely the choice is going to be between Papszun and Nawalka, with former Rakow coach Papszun the favourite to get the job.

According to STS, the favourite n.1 is still Papszun (@1.85), but... 2nd in line is Probierz (@3.50), then we have a "foreign coach" (@7.50) and Nawałka (@10.00).

Probierz is naturally the worst option in my opinion. Both Kulesza and Probierz know each other very well when the former was Jagiellonia owner and the later was their coach. If Kulesza hires his colleague as Poland NT coach he is done for me as the head of PZPN.

[Lorric]

It looks as though Santos is likely to go today. It seems the Polish FA have managed to come to a mutual agreement with him to leave. I suspect it's something along the lines of paying him until the end of the year, rather than until Euro 2024 time which was his original contract. This is the best solution as there is no point in keeping for the remaining 3 group games if the players know he would be gone after that.

They are very likely to put a Polish coach in charge now, whose wage is going to be considerably lower than Santos'. The most likely the choice is going to be between Papszun and Nawalka, with former Rakow coach Papszun the favourite to get the job.

According to STS, the favourite n.1 is still Papszun (@1.85), but... 2nd in line is Probierz (@3.50), then we have a "foreign coach" (@7.50) and Nawałka (@10.00).

Probierz is naturally the worst option in my opinion. Both Kulesza and Probierz know each other very well when the former was Jagiellonia owner and the later was their coach. If Kulesza hires his colleague as Poland NT coach he is done for me as the head of PZPN.

Is that a bet that it can be any non-Pole, and you can win?

[Greyn]

It looks as though Santos is likely to go today. It seems the Polish FA have managed to come to a mutual agreement with him to leave. I suspect it's something along the lines of paying him until the end of the year, rather than until Euro 2024 time which was his original contract. This is the best solution as there is no point in keeping for the remaining 3 group games if the players know he would be gone after that.

They are very likely to put a Polish coach in charge now, whose wage is going to be considerably lower than Santos'. The most likely the choice is going to be between Papszun and Nawalka, with former Rakow coach Papszun the favourite to get the job.

According to STS, the favourite n.1 is still Papszun (@1.85), but... 2nd in line is Probierz (@3.50), then we have a "foreign coach" (@7.50) and Nawałka (@10.00).

Probierz is naturally the worst option in my opinion. Both Kulesza and Probierz know each other very well when the former was Jagiellonia owner and the later was their coach. If Kulesza hires his colleague as Poland NT coach he is done for me as the head of PZPN.

Is that a bet that it can be any non-Pole, and you can win?

Yes, exactly, but please don't bet any money on anything gambling related ever. Please do me this favour, Lorric.

[Lorric]

According to STS, the favourite n.1 is still Papszun (@1.85), but... 2nd in line is Probierz (@3.50), then we have a "foreign coach" (@7.50) and Nawałka (@10.00).

Probierz is naturally the worst option in my opinion. Both Kulesza and Probierz know each other very well when the former was Jagiellonia owner and the later was their coach. If Kulesza hires his colleague as Poland NT coach he is done for me as the head of PZPN.

Is that a bet that it can be any non-Pole, and you can win?

Yes, exactly, but please don't bet any money on anything gambling related ever. Please do me this favour, Lorric.

I was just curious. With the exception of fun bets on the Grand National horse race (It's a family thing, and between the family and not betting on anyone else's horses, we end up covering a large amount of the field, so one of us often wins, and we've had some big wins on outsiders before! ), I never have and probably never will. Though I may do matched betting one day, which is guaranteed money until you get gubbed.

[Greyn]

Is that a bet that it can be any non-Pole, and you can win?

Yes, exactly, but please don't bet any money on anything gambling related ever. Please do me this favour, Lorric.

I was just curious. With the exception of fun bets on the Grand National horse race (It's a family thing, and between the family and not betting on anyone else's horses, we end up covering a large amount of the field, so one of us often wins, and we've had some big wins on outsiders before! ), I never have and probably never will. Though I may do matched betting one day, which is guaranteed money until you get gubbed.

Nice story with horse races.

As for betting (or gambling overall) it is a one big fraud and crap. In a long run it ruins not only your wallet, but also a mental health. I used to bet (unfortunately), but I stopped betting a few years ago and it was one of the best decisions in my life. Watching football matches without placing bets on them is much more exciting and healthy.

[Lorric]

Yes, exactly, but please don't bet any money on anything gambling related ever. Please do me this favour, Lorric.

I was just curious. With the exception of fun bets on the Grand National horse race (It's a family thing, and between the family and not betting on anyone else's horses, we end up covering a large amount of the field, so one of us often wins, and we've had some big wins on outsiders before! ), I never have and probably never will. Though I may do matched betting one day, which is guaranteed money until you get gubbed.

Nice story with horse races.

As for betting (or gambling overall) it is a one big fraud and crap. In a long run it ruins not only your wallet, but also a mental health. I used to bet (unfortunately), but I stopped betting a few years ago and it was one of the best decisions in my life. Watching football matches without placing bets on them is much more exciting and healthy.

I had wondered why you asked that of me.

A while back, I wondered if I might be knowledgeable enough about football to make money betting on it. I considered making pretend bets for a year and only if I came out (significantly) ahead, could I make real bets. Even thought about making a thread about it on the forum, might as well, I would have had to put down that info somewhere, and it might have been good to talk about with you all.

But then I considered, even if I did succeed, it might still completely change my emotions / thought processes if real money was on the table and invalidate the test run results. So I never did it.

[fabiomh]

Yes, exactly, but please don't bet any money on anything gambling related ever. Please do me this favour, Lorric.

I was just curious. With the exception of fun bets on the Grand National horse race (It's a family thing, and between the family and not betting on anyone else's horses, we end up covering a large amount of the field, so one of us often wins, and we've had some big wins on outsiders before! ), I never have and probably never will. Though I may do matched betting one day, which is guaranteed money until you get gubbed.

Nice story with horse races.

As for betting (or gambling overall) it is a one big fraud and crap. In a long run it ruins not only your wallet, but also a mental health. I used to bet (unfortunately), but I stopped betting a few years ago and it was one of the best decisions in my life. Watching football matches without placing bets on them is much more exciting and healthy.

yes, in my opinion in a long run the bookies win always.
What the player loose has to be enough to pay all the bookies agencies, all the people working on this and the gain for the bookies.
It is their job, and they cannot afford to loose money.
And you can only loose, since it is a game you vs professional bookies. It is a mismatch.

For me it was more interesting an old game, where you have to guess the outcome of 13 matches; the same game more or less was/is in several countries (Totocalcio in Italy, Loto Foot in France, Quiniela in Spain, Sport Toto in Switzerland, ..).
In this case the organizer keep a percentage of the money; the remaining money is divided by all the winners of that week; you actually play vs other players; in a long run if you are much much better than the other players you can gain money.

[Lorric]

I was just curious. With the exception of fun bets on the Grand National horse race (It's a family thing, and between the family and not betting on anyone else's horses, we end up covering a large amount of the field, so one of us often wins, and we've had some big wins on outsiders before! ), I never have and probably never will. Though I may do matched betting one day, which is guaranteed money until you get gubbed.

Nice story with horse races.

As for betting (or gambling overall) it is a one big fraud and crap. In a long run it ruins not only your wallet, but also a mental health. I used to bet (unfortunately), but I stopped betting a few years ago and it was one of the best decisions in my life. Watching football matches without placing bets on them is much more exciting and healthy.

yes, in my opinion in a long run the bookies win always.
What the player loose has to be enough to pay all the bookies agencies, all the people working on this and the gain for the bookies.
It is their job, and they cannot afford to loose money.
And you can only loose, since it is a game you vs professional bookies. It is a mismatch.

For me it was more interesting an old game, where you have to guess the outcome of 13 matches; the same game more or less was/is in several countries (Totocalcio in Italy, Loto Foot in France, Quiniela in Spain, Sport Toto in Switzerland, ..).
In this case the organizer keep a percentage of the money; the remaining money is divided by all the winners of that week; you actually play vs other players; in a long run if you are much much better than the other players you can gain money.

It's possible to beat them, but they'll beat most people so it doesn't matter. Plus, if you keep beating them, they're not obligated to keep letting you do it, and can refuse to do business with you.

[Polak]

It looks as though Santos is likely to go today. It seems the Polish FA have managed to come to a mutual agreement with him to leave. I suspect it's something along the lines of paying him until the end of the year, rather than until Euro 2024 time which was his original contract. This is the best solution as there is no point in keeping for the remaining 3 group games if the players know he would be gone after that.

They are very likely to put a Polish coach in charge now, whose wage is going to be considerably lower than Santos'. The most likely the choice is going to be between Papszun and Nawalka, with former Rakow coach Papszun the favourite to get the job.

According to STS, the favourite n.1 is still Papszun (@1.85), but... 2nd in line is Probierz (@3.50), then we have a "foreign coach" (@7.50) and Nawałka (@10.00).

Probierz is naturally the worst option in my opinion. Both Kulesza and Probierz know each other very well when the former was Jagiellonia owner and the later was their coach. If Kulesza hires his colleague as Poland NT coach he is done for me as the head of PZPN.

I agree with you that Probierz would be a horrible choice. His name is often mentioned when Poland is in search of a manager but he never gets the job, and may it stay that way. There is no way PZPN are going to hire another foreign coach right after having to pay off the last one (that may or may not have already happened as I write this). Nawalka has had the best achievement with the NT since the 'golden era' but he also had a poor World Cup after that. It wouldn't be an awful choice but it wouldn't seem like a step forward. It would feel like he's been hired due to nostalgia. As for Papszun, I was kind of hoping to see him coach a big team in Poland (Lech of Legia) to see how he does with them before coaching Poland, but if the opportunity is there, PZPN want him and he wants the job, then why not.

[Juliusz]

Official: Santos sacked by Polish FA.

New NT coach yet unknown.

[fabiomh]

Nice story with horse races.

As for betting (or gambling overall) it is a one big fraud and crap. In a long run it ruins not only your wallet, but also a mental health. I used to bet (unfortunately), but I stopped betting a few years ago and it was one of the best decisions in my life. Watching football matches without placing bets on them is much more exciting and healthy.

yes, in my opinion in a long run the bookies win always.
What the player loose has to be enough to pay all the bookies agencies, all the people working on this and the gain for the bookies.
It is their job, and they cannot afford to loose money.
And you can only loose, since it is a game you vs professional bookies. It is a mismatch.

For me it was more interesting an old game, where you have to guess the outcome of 13 matches; the same game more or less was/is in several countries (Totocalcio in Italy, Loto Foot in France, Quiniela in Spain, Sport Toto in Switzerland, ..).
In this case the organizer keep a percentage of the money; the remaining money is divided by all the winners of that week; you actually play vs other players; in a long run if you are much much better than the other players you can gain money.

It's possible to beat them, but they'll beat most people so it doesn't matter. Plus, if you keep beating them, they're not obligated to keep letting you do it, and can refuse to do business with you.

yes, you are absolutely right.
It's possible to beat them, but very very difficult. I would not be able.
And, as you say, if they realize that you can do it, they can refuse to go forward.
It was easiest gaining money in Totocalcio and similar games, by far, under certain condition.