2024 U19 Euro - Northern Ireland

[Jackson Harrison]

Austria beat Montenegro 1-0. Austria is probably a must win match as if we don't win and there's a winner in the other game, it's over.

Austria - 4
England and Wales - 2
Montenegro - 1

Surely we can't go out in the 1st round! Has that ever happened before?

I've never seen it.

Probably because it hasn't happened

[Lorric]

Austria beat Montenegro 1-0. Austria is probably a must win match as if we don't win and there's a winner in the other game, it's over.

Austria - 4
England and Wales - 2
Montenegro - 1

Surely we can't go out in the 1st round! Has that ever happened before?

According to wikipedia, since the UEFA youth tournaments were re-organized as U-19 and U-17 competitions in 2002, neither England's men's U-19 and U-17 teams have ever been eliminated in the first qualifying round.

Cheers. Iirc, I've gone digging through Wikipedia on all the years it has entries for qualifying for these tournaments and never saw England fail in the first round. There's plenty they don't have that info for going back though.

[Lorric]

0-0 HT. A game of very few chances. Not good, Montenegro are winning 3-0, so we need to win this match. Might have a shot at the best 3rd spot with a draw.

[Lorric]

we've got a power failure in the stadium, they can't start the second half...

[Jackson Harrison]

we've got a power failure in the stadium, they can't start the second half...

You'd think they'd check this things before hand!

Too dark to play without lights?

[Lorric]

Second half is go.

[Jackson Harrison]

Second half is go.

This would be embarrassing if we lost now!

[Lorric]

England were the only ones trying to win this match in the second half. They tried, but Austria held them off. 0-0 FT.

So we have a tenuous hold on the best 3rd place spot with 4/13 groups played. All it will take is someone to beat a top two team and finish third, or get two draws like us but score a goal, and it's all over and the TOP seed of the qualifying round is out. Only Portugal who got a bye to the elite round have a higher coefficient.

[Jackson Harrison]

England were the only ones trying to win this match in the second half. They tried, but Austria held them off. 0-0 FT.

So we have a tenuous hold on the best 3rd place spot with 4/13 groups played. All it will take is someone to beat a top two team and finish third, or get two draws like us but score a goal, and it's all over and the TOP seed of the qualifying round is out. Only Portugal who got a bye to the elite round have a higher coefficient.

Nervous wait! Would like to hope we might just pip it!

[amenina]

Group 2 (complete)
Through to elite round: Norway, Latvia (hosts)
Third place: Hungary
Also in group: Gibraltar

Group 5 (complete)
Through to elite round: Germany, North Macedonia
Third place: Poland (hosts)
Also in group: Kazakhstan

Group 10 (complete)
Through to elite round: Czechia (hosts), Romania
Third place: Finland
Also in group: San Marino

Group 12 (complete)
Through to elite round: Austria, Montenegro (hosts)
Third place: England
Also in group: Wales

Ranking of third-placed teams, records against the top two
(Best advance, 4 out of 13 groups completed)
1. England - 2 pts, 0-0
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(Teams below this line cannot advance)
2. Hungary - 1 pt, 2-3
3. Finland - 1 pt, 0-1
4. Poland - 1 pt, 3-5

[amenina]

England were the only ones trying to win this match in the second half. They tried, but Austria held them off. 0-0 FT.

So we have a tenuous hold on the best 3rd place spot with 4/13 groups played. All it will take is someone to beat a top two team and finish third, or get two draws like us but score a goal, and it's all over and the TOP seed of the qualifying round is out. Only Portugal who got a bye to the elite round have a higher coefficient.

At least England still got a chance. From the other three completed groups, the third-placed teams (Hungary, Poland, Finland) all have 4 points but can no longer qualify because the match against the fourth-placed teams are not counted. Hungary were pipped by Latvia to second place by goals scored after Latvia trounced Gibraltar by eight goals in the last round (Hungary could only beat Gibraltar by six earlier), while Poland led Germany three times but each time Germany managed to equalized, and North Macedonia scored a late equalizer against Kazakhstan to finish level on points with Poland but won the head-to-head tiebreaker to finish second.

[Lorric]

I decided to look back to see what our chances of getting that best third place spot are. Only the two previous editions used this system, before that, two teams got byes.

Last year, two teams got a win, another got two draws with a 1-1 and a 0-0, and another got 2 0-0s like us. However, the year before that we would have got it, as no one got more than 1 draw. Still seems like the odds are against us, but it was possible that year and maybe it will be again...

[amenina]

Current state of play

https://www.uefa.com/under19/news/027d- ... nd-latest/

The first four 2023/24 UEFA European Under-19 Championship qualifying round groups are complete, with the other nine running between Wednesday and next Tuesday. beginning the road to the eight-team finals in Northern Ireland.

The top two teams in each group will join top seeds Portugal in the spring 2024 elite round along with the third-placed team with the best record against the top two in their section. Hosts Northern Ireland qualify directly for the final tournament from 15 to 28 July, which will also act as UEFA's qualifier for the 2025 FIFA U-20 World Cup.

Through to elite round so far

Austria, Czechia, Germany, Latvia, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Norway, Portugal (bye), Romania

Qualifying round groups

Group 1 (15–21 November): France (hosts), Denmark, Iceland, Estonia

Group 2 (complete)
Through to elite round: Norway, Latvia (hosts)
Third place: Hungary
Also in group: Gibraltar

Group 3 (15–21 November): Serbia, Scotland, Bulgaria (hosts), Andorra

Group 4 (15–21 November): Italy (holders), Sweden (hosts), Switzerland, Liechtenstein

Group 5 (complete)
Through to elite round: Germany, North Macedonia
Third place: Poland (hosts)
Also in group: Kazakhstan

Group 6 (15–21 November): Spain, Georgia (hosts), Cyprus, Moldova

Group 7 (15–21 November): Ukraine, Slovakia, Kosovo, Malta (hosts)

Group 8 (15–21 November): Türkiye (hosts), Greece, Belarus, Lithuania

Group 9 (15–21 November): Israel, Croatia (hosts), Armenia, Faroe Islands

Group 10 (complete)
Through to elite round: Czechia (hosts), Romania
Third place: Finland
Also in group: San Marino

Group 11 (15–21 November): Netherlands, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Azerbaijan, Luxembourg (hosts)

Group 12 (complete)
Through to elite round: Austria, Montenegro (hosts)
Third place: England
Also in group: Wales

Group 13 (15–21 November): Republic of Ireland, Belgium, Slovenia, Albania (hosts)

Ranking of third-placed teams, records against the top two
(Best advance, 4 out of 13 groups completed)
1. England (Group 12) - 2 pts, 0-0
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(Teams below this line cannot advance)
2. Hungary (Group 2) - 1 pt, 2-3
3. Finland (Group 10) - 1 pt, 0-1
4. Poland (Group 5) - 1 pt, 3-5

[Jackson Harrison]

@amenina - so eliminated?

[TommyChat]

@amenina - so eliminated?

No, Slovenia and Bulgaria who currently appear 3rd in their groups with 2 points above England can still finish 2nd with a win if there is a winner in the other game of their group. The loser of that game will be 3rd with 1 point.