2024 U19 Euro - Northern Ireland

[amenina]

That would be weird.

Could come down to a drawing of lots of fair play coefficients decided it.

Article 14 explains the tiebreakers: https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulation ... ion-Online

If all six matches of a group finish 0-0, then all four teams, tied on 3 points, are also tied on all criteria a-f, so criteria g, i.e., disciplinary points will be used as tiebreaker.

If criteria g is still tied on a subset of teams, then criteria h, i.e., higher position in qualifying round coefficient ranking, will be used. For example, since England are seeded in the top pot for the qualifying round, they will win the tiebreaker over other teams in their group.

But there is also Article 14.02, which specifies that in some cases, a penalty shoot-out between two teams may be used as a tiebreaker. For example, if the first four matches all finish 0-0, and in the final round of matches, Team A beat Team B, while Team C and Team D draw their match, then Team A finish first with 5 points and Team B finish last with 2 points. In that case, Team C and Team D both have 3 points, and also the same goal difference and goals scored, and also just drew their head-to-head match. In that case, a penalty shoot-out will be used after their match to decide who finish second and who finish third.

This method has been used in UEFA youth tournaments as a tiebreaker to decide who advance to the next stage, but never in a senior tournament. Of course, it came very close during Euro 2008, when Turkey came back against the Czech Republic from 2 goals down to tie the match at the 87th minute due to Cech's error. Had the score stay 2-2, the penalty shoot-out method would be used to decide who advance as group runners-up behind Portugal. But of course Turkey scored another goal to complete the comeback and the penalty shoot-out tiebreaker was not necessary.

Top 2 go through right?

Yes for Euro 2008, it was a 16-team tournament, so top two of each group advanced to the quarter-finals.

If you mean the 2024 U-19 qualifying round, then top two of each group, together with the best third-placed team (using record against the top two teams) advance to the elite round (Portugal had a bye to the elite round).

[Jackson Harrison]

Article 14 explains the tiebreakers: https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulation ... ion-Online

If all six matches of a group finish 0-0, then all four teams, tied on 3 points, are also tied on all criteria a-f, so criteria g, i.e., disciplinary points will be used as tiebreaker.

If criteria g is still tied on a subset of teams, then criteria h, i.e., higher position in qualifying round coefficient ranking, will be used. For example, since England are seeded in the top pot for the qualifying round, they will win the tiebreaker over other teams in their group.

But there is also Article 14.02, which specifies that in some cases, a penalty shoot-out between two teams may be used as a tiebreaker. For example, if the first four matches all finish 0-0, and in the final round of matches, Team A beat Team B, while Team C and Team D draw their match, then Team A finish first with 5 points and Team B finish last with 2 points. In that case, Team C and Team D both have 3 points, and also the same goal difference and goals scored, and also just drew their head-to-head match. In that case, a penalty shoot-out will be used after their match to decide who finish second and who finish third.

This method has been used in UEFA youth tournaments as a tiebreaker to decide who advance to the next stage, but never in a senior tournament. Of course, it came very close during Euro 2008, when Turkey came back against the Czech Republic from 2 goals down to tie the match at the 87th minute due to Cech's error. Had the score stay 2-2, the penalty shoot-out method would be used to decide who advance as group runners-up behind Portugal. But of course Turkey scored another goal to complete the comeback and the penalty shoot-out tiebreaker was not necessary.

Top 2 go through right?

Yes for Euro 2008, it was a 16-team tournament, so top two of each group advanced to the quarter-finals.

If you mean the 2024 U-19 qualifying round, then top two of each group, together with the best third-placed team (using record against the top two teams) advance to the elite round (Portugal had a bye to the elite round).

Meant U19.

So have penalty shootouts on last games to decide 2 that gl through for U19?

[amenina]

Top 2 go through right?

Yes for Euro 2008, it was a 16-team tournament, so top two of each group advanced to the quarter-finals.

If you mean the 2024 U-19 qualifying round, then top two of each group, together with the best third-placed team (using record against the top two teams) advance to the elite round (Portugal had a bye to the elite round).

Meant U19.

So have penalty shootouts on last games to decide 2 that gl through for U19?

It has definitely been used before, but I forgot which youth tournament (U19 or U17, men or women).

[Lorric]

Well, I missed the first half because I forgot until now, but again all I've missed is 0-0. Now that I'm here, will I see something good?

[Lorric]

Well it only took 10 minutes of me being around to see the first goal, but it goes to Wales who slot in the bottom corner from a 3 on 1 break.

[Lorric]

All Wales are doing now is smacking the ball upfield as soon as they get it. England's finishing has been atrocious so far. We're not bad coming up the field and look to have some pace on the wings.

[Lorric]

Oh that was brilliant! Guy gets brought down, he's up lightning fast, takes a quick free kick long out to the left wing, which led to a finish in the box into the top corner!

[Lorric]

Wales' keeper and defenders make 3 blocks on the line!

[Lorric]

1-1 FT, Wales hold on for a point. Let's see what happens in the other game.

[Lorric]

Austria beat Montenegro 1-0. Austria is probably a must win match as if we don't win and there's a winner in the other game, it's over.

Austria - 4
England and Wales - 2
Montenegro - 1

[amenina]

Austria beat Montenegro 1-0. Austria is probably a must win match as if we don't win and there's a winner in the other game, it's over.

Austria - 4
England and Wales - 2
Montenegro - 1

Just in case if England and Wales have the same score in the last round of matches, meaning they finish with completely identical records, the disciplinary points will be used as the tiebreaker (the penalty shoot-out tiebreaker is not possible since they are not playing each other in the last match).
England: -1 point (yellow card by Jobe Bellignham vs Montenegro)
Wales: -5 points (2 yellow cards vs Austria, 3 yellow cards vs England)

If England and Wales also end with the same disciplinary points, England will be ranked ahead of Wales as they are the higher-seeded team in the qualifying round draw.

If England and Wales both draw with the same score, the disciplinary points tiebreaker will decide the second place team which qualifies for the elite round, and the third place team which can only qualify if they are the best third place team among all 13 groups.

If England and Wales both win with the same score, both teams will advance to the elite round, and the disciplinary points tiebreaker will decide who finish first and second, which is a factor in determining the seeding in the elite round.

If England and Wales both lose with the same score, the disciplinary points tiebreaker will decide the third place team which can only qualify if they are the best third place team among all 13 groups, and the fourth place team which will certainly be elimianted.

[Jackson Harrison]

Austria beat Montenegro 1-0. Austria is probably a must win match as if we don't win and there's a winner in the other game, it's over.

Austria - 4
England and Wales - 2
Montenegro - 1

Surely we can't go out in the 1st round! Has that ever happened before?

[Lorric]

Austria beat Montenegro 1-0. Austria is probably a must win match as if we don't win and there's a winner in the other game, it's over.

Austria - 4
England and Wales - 2
Montenegro - 1

Surely we can't go out in the 1st round! Has that ever happened before?

I've never seen it.

[amenina]

Austria beat Montenegro 1-0. Austria is probably a must win match as if we don't win and there's a winner in the other game, it's over.

Austria - 4
England and Wales - 2
Montenegro - 1

Surely we can't go out in the 1st round! Has that ever happened before?

According to wikipedia, since the UEFA youth tournaments were re-organized as U-19 and U-17 competitions in 2002, neither England's men's U-19 and U-17 teams have ever been eliminated in the first qualifying round.

[Jackson Harrison]

Austria beat Montenegro 1-0. Austria is probably a must win match as if we don't win and there's a winner in the other game, it's over.

Austria - 4
England and Wales - 2
Montenegro - 1

Surely we can't go out in the 1st round! Has that ever happened before?

According to wikipedia, since the UEFA youth tournaments were re-organized as U-19 and U-17 competitions in 2002, neither England's men's U-19 and U-17 teams have ever been eliminated in the first qualifying round.

Didn't think we had!