2023/24 UEFA club season: List of debutants

[Jackson Harrison]

Actually for Servette, at worst they will play EL-GS, since they are in League Path.

How does that make any difference?

Because its different.
Teams eliminated in CL Q3 league path move to ELGS
Teams eliminated in CL Q3 champions path move to ELPO

If a team from league path moved to EL-PO it might end in a worse position than the team right below them in the national league: for example Portugal N4 goes to ELGS, so N3 even losing in CL qualifiers can never drop below ELGS.

What if they loose in Q2?

[TommyChat]

Because its different.
Teams eliminated in CL Q3 league path move to ELGS
Teams eliminated in CL Q3 champions path move to ELPO

If a team from league path moved to EL-PO it might end in a worse position than the team right below them in the national league: for example Portugal N4 goes to ELGS, so N3 even losing in CL qualifiers can never drop below ELGS.

So a safety net?

I think you can call that, so finishing the league in a lower position hasn't a better outcome.

Still N2s Genk and Dnipro-1 may end up in ECL PO while N3s USG and Zorya are starting in EL PO.

[rpo.castro]

How does that make any difference?

Because its different.
Teams eliminated in CL Q3 league path move to ELGS
Teams eliminated in CL Q3 champions path move to ELPO

If a team from league path moved to EL-PO it might end in a worse position than the team right below them in the national league: for example Portugal N4 goes to ELGS, so N3 even losing in CL qualifiers can never drop below ELGS.

What if they loose in Q2?

They go to Q3.

[TommyChat]

How does that make any difference?

Because its different.
Teams eliminated in CL Q3 league path move to ELGS
Teams eliminated in CL Q3 champions path move to ELPO

If a team from league path moved to EL-PO it might end in a worse position than the team right below them in the national league: for example Portugal N4 goes to ELGS, so N3 even losing in CL qualifiers can never drop below ELGS.

What if they loose in Q2?

All Q2 losers in both paths move to EL Q3, that means that some second place teams will have to play in EL Q3 while 3rd place teams of the same league (who are replacing CW) are starting in EL PO.

[amenina]

Because its different.
Teams eliminated in CL Q3 league path move to ELGS
Teams eliminated in CL Q3 champions path move to ELPO

If a team from league path moved to EL-PO it might end in a worse position than the team right below them in the national league: for example Portugal N4 goes to ELGS, so N3 even losing in CL qualifiers can never drop below ELGS.

What if they loose in Q2?

All Q2 losers in both paths move to EL Q3, that means that some second place teams will have to play in EL Q3 while 3rd place teams of the same league (who are replacing CW) are starting in EL PO.

It is a major bug in the access list, and it will continue to exist in the new access list for next season: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2024.html

My proposal has been to swap the losers of CL-Q2-LP with the CW of associations 10-12. So the losers of CL-Q2-LP, which involve the runners-up of associations of 10-15, will enter EL-PO, and in that case they are guaranteed a place in at least the ECL-GS, while the CW of associations 10-12 enter EL-Q3. In that case the runners-up will always be in a better starting position in the EL qualifying phase than the third-placed team.

[TommyChat]

What if they loose in Q2?

All Q2 losers in both paths move to EL Q3, that means that some second place teams will have to play in EL Q3 while 3rd place teams of the same league (who are replacing CW) are starting in EL PO.

It is a major bug in the access list, and it will continue to exist in the new access list for next season: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2024.html

My proposal has been to swap the losers of CL-Q2-LP with the CW of associations 10-12. So the losers of CL-Q2-LP, which involve the runners-up of associations of 10-15, will enter EL-PO, and in that case they are guaranteed a place in at least the ECL-GS, while the CW of associations 10-12 enter EL-Q3. In that case the runners-up will always be in a better starting position in the EL qualifying phase than the third-placed team.

That will create an even bigger bug with association 15. runner-up will be guaranteed GS and champion could be triple eliminated

[amenina]

All Q2 losers in both paths move to EL Q3, that means that some second place teams will have to play in EL Q3 while 3rd place teams of the same league (who are replacing CW) are starting in EL PO.

It is a major bug in the access list, and it will continue to exist in the new access list for next season: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2024.html

My proposal has been to swap the losers of CL-Q2-LP with the CW of associations 10-12. So the losers of CL-Q2-LP, which involve the runners-up of associations of 10-15, will enter EL-PO, and in that case they are guaranteed a place in at least the ECL-GS, while the CW of associations 10-12 enter EL-Q3. In that case the runners-up will always be in a better starting position in the EL qualifying phase than the third-placed team.

That will create an even bigger bug with association 15. runner-up will be guaranteed GS and champion could be triple eliminated

Yes it is possible in the new access list, so it is another bug, so it would be best to fix that too. On the other hand, league champions play in the Champions Path and the level of their opponents are much lower. If the champions of association 15 (the Czechs for 24/25) can’t win even one tie out of three in the Champions Path, I am not even sure they deserve League phase football.

[seso]

Not a pleasant European debut for FK Auda...

[amenina]

Today and tomorrow, four clubs will play their first European match.
Adana Demirspor (Turkey)
CSKA-1948 (Bulgaria)
Sabah (Azerbaijan)
Auda (Latvia)

Adana and Sabah advanced to Q3, while CSKA-1948 and Auda, together with Dukagjini which started from Q1, are out.

[amenina]

Today and tomorrow, four clubs will play their first European match.
Adana Demirspor (Turkey)
CSKA-1948 (Bulgaria)
Sabah (Azerbaijan)
Auda (Latvia)

Adana and Sabah advanced to Q3, while CSKA-1948 and Auda, together with Dukagjini which started from Q1, are out.

Sabah is out, so only Adana advanced to PO. Can they make it one step further to GS?

[amenina]

Hacken (Sweden) and Zrinjski (Bosnia and Herzegovina) will make their group stage debut.

This means a team from Bosnia and Herzegovina will play in a European group stage for the first time ever.

[amenina]

Antwerp (Belgium) will make their Champions League group stage debut, together with Union Berlin (Germany).

[amenina]

Teams which will make their Europa League group stage debut: Brighton (England), TSC (Serbia), Servette (Switzerland), Rakow (Poland), Aris (Cyprus), Hacken (Sweden).

All of them will also be making their European club competition group stage debut.

[amenina]

Breidablik (Iceland) will make their group stage debut.

This means a team from Iceland will play in a European group stage for the first time ever, joining Bosnia and Herzegovina and Faroe Islands also doing so this season.

Breidablik are also the first and only team to play in a European club competition group stage starting from the Champions League preliminary round.

Olimpija (Slovenia), Zrinjski (Bosnia and Herzegovina), KI (Faroe Islands), and Cukaricki (Serbia) are the other teams playing in the Europa Conference League group stage this season which are also making their group stage debut.

[Kjello]

All six Nordic leagues represented in the group stage